Comments for The Anatomy of Fantasy Trading and Identifying Strategies to Help You Win at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 6 out of 6 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Thu, 23 May 2013 16:56:50 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/915-maasquito-bites/5310-the-anatomy-of-fantasy-trading-and-identifying-strategies-to-help-you-win#comment-24423 I agree and I disagree... And the answer depends entirely on what you want to achieve. Whether you want to go out "winning the league" or are you happy finishing 6th... I'm pretty ambitious, if I don't win I'm just a part of the 12-15 other losers. That's my mentality, so I'd rather throw everything at the competition, even if it means making a bad trade and finishing with an opportunity for first, than for me to sit idly and finish 6th. RHRS is a good example of it, I could have very easily sat on my struggling team and finished middle of the pack, or trade aggressively to get me within contention. The thing is Dobber could cop a 1 in PPP, but then I ask what are his chances of winning the thing if he does that? The chances of him winning are essentially 0! You can't win the league copping a 1 in any 1 area, especially not in a "expert" league like this one. So he could keep a 15 in hits, and keep a 1 in PPP for 16 points, or he could make a play for some help in PPP and maybe take a slight hit in hits and finish with 10, and maybe he catches back up for PPP given the amount that Pitkanen and Tanguay could produce. With Ott and Coburn he would have essentially guaranteed that he finishes with a 1 in the PPP category. In Angus' scenario, there's a couple of factors, he was actually 2nd in the league when the trade occurred, it's just the past week that he's fallen in the SOG. The assists will come, at the end of the day, he could have very easily sat, would that have changed his fate at all? If he sat would he still win anything? Probably not... but at least changing his team around does something to show an effort... So it's definitely up to interpretation on what you think win-win actually means... no it's not win-win in a way that we both can't win the league, but is it a trade that helps both teams move up in the standings, you could argue that it would be, so it's win-win from that perspective. The way I look at it is that if you do nothing you won't change your fate, you do something and at least theres an opportunity for improvement. - Ryan Ma Thu, 28 Feb 2013 18:30:42 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/915-maasquito-bites/5310-the-anatomy-of-fantasy-trading-and-identifying-strategies-to-help-you-win#comment-24422 yeah definitely which is where the win/lose situation happens. You win the battle but you lose the long term war... so really you lose anyway... - Ryan Ma Thu, 28 Feb 2013 18:16:25 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/915-maasquito-bites/5310-the-anatomy-of-fantasy-trading-and-identifying-strategies-to-help-you-win#comment-24421 Yeah definitely, I think we've been born and bred into a system of trying to win every trade, I mean if you look at the forums it's all litter with that stuff, did I win this trade, did I come out on top, is this a fair trade... Which is why 90% of the trades are never accepted or canceled without a counter... The thing that I'm trying to do is get people away from that that concept and away from that line of thinking. It'll be impossible but hopefully this column at least gets people "thinking" and perhaps approaching it a little bit differently. - Ryan Ma Thu, 28 Feb 2013 18:15:48 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/915-maasquito-bites/5310-the-anatomy-of-fantasy-trading-and-identifying-strategies-to-help-you-win#comment-24417 ROTO is a beast... very mathematical. You've done a decent job breaking it down. One thing I'd like to see considered more is the "likelihood" of rising/declining within a category. For example: 1. Dobber is last in PPP with 29. Teams in front of him: 45,48,49...54,57. 2. Angus is 6th in SOG. In the middle of a tight group of contenders: 646... 689, 689, 690, 697, 698... 712... 742. From their perspectives: 1. Dobber should be punting PPP at this point in the season. He's going to need a miracle to make it up to 2nd last. If I'm him, I tried of my PPP assets to chase other categories. I'm not sure why Dobber would be interested in trying to repair his PPP at this point in the season - and I think you had to throw in something extra for this reason. 2. Angus should have held his SOG. That's a critical category and he'll need the two-point swing of being above Comish(746), BizSmack(712), LOTR(698) in that category. And I'd argue that Angus is so far back in A, that he'll have a hard to making points. If he does make up points, the teams he catches are probably not contenders anyways - so it's only a one-point swing. I like the direction and thought-process of this article. A+ for concept. I'm not really sure it equates to an actual WIN-WIN. I don't think Angus & Dobber made very smart moves in the categories that you "talked them into focusing on". But... point of article wasn't to actually pull off a real WIN-WIN. Point of article was to make a trade based on the concept of a WIN-WIN. For that... I give you a BIG thumbs up! ;) - Pengwin7 Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:54:45 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/915-maasquito-bites/5310-the-anatomy-of-fantasy-trading-and-identifying-strategies-to-help-you-win#comment-24416 I've had more success going for win/win trades in my long-standing keeper league. It mimics real life - you may be able to pull the wool over once, but if you come back to that guy again he is going to be very hesitant to make a deal. - angus Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:40:54 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/915-maasquito-bites/5310-the-anatomy-of-fantasy-trading-and-identifying-strategies-to-help-you-win#comment-24415 Thanks again; this is even more lucidly laid out than last year's article. I have bookmarked it, and will be sending the link to my potential trade partners. I think most of my leaguemates approach every trade negotiation in the win/lose framework, and so if I approach with an offer they assume that I must be trying to get over on them. I have beat the drum of addressing each others' weaknesses with our strengths, but it seems they assume this is just a sneaky negotiating tactic on my part. Two years ago I approached a GM with Stamkos, Eric Staal, Brad Richards, Jeff Carter, and Patrice Bergeron and Masons Steve and Chris as his only two goalies, and he would not consider giving up a center for one of my goalies (Halak, Rask, Quick, Niemi, Thomas. I still get frustrated thinking about it. - Hey Robbie Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:38:41 +0100