Comments for Holding Court: Will Shea Weber's Stats Suffer? at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 8 out of 8 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:40:20 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/917-holding-court/5037-holding-court-will-shea-webers-stats-suffer#comment-23191 I would like to see a Holding Court on Rinne. Yes Rinne is good, but how is the loss of Suter going to impact Rinne. Plus Rinne just had a career year which I see him having difficulty repeating. There are a slew of rookies, but they take time to get use to the NHL play - Millhouse Sat, 10 Nov 2012 04:33:22 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/917-holding-court/5037-holding-court-will-shea-webers-stats-suffer#comment-23190 Nobody on NSH has to be Suter, they just have to be good enough. [i][/i] I don't disagree, that any of NSH remaining D are not comparable to Suter as a complete package. But in individual roles, they may suffice. But I share the reservations you do. Which is why I was hesitant to make offers. I think that the void will be filled either as the season progresses, or via trade and NSH 15M in cap space. - Sovereign Fri, 09 Nov 2012 20:51:54 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/917-holding-court/5037-holding-court-will-shea-webers-stats-suffer#comment-23189 Another side of this issue is how Suter will be without Weber. There isn't a Dman in MN that will compared to Weber. - pull the goalie Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:40:06 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/917-holding-court/5037-holding-court-will-shea-webers-stats-suffer#comment-23187 I'm higher on Roman Josi than most - but even if Josi excels right out of the gate, he isn't Suter. The big question for me - can Nashville's other defensemen fill the void? Weber has played tough minutes forever, and he is obviously great at it. The Preds depth d-men all struggled last year in terms of puck possession metrics. - angus Fri, 09 Nov 2012 14:23:03 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/917-holding-court/5037-holding-court-will-shea-webers-stats-suffer#comment-23186 I was debating offers in two salary (actual salary) cap leagues last night. With out doing historical examples on other teams I just relied on my experience. I gamed out a number of scenarios and guesses. Most importantly, not replacing Suter but his Role. As stated Suter's steadier defensive pressence allowed more room for Weber to be offensive. Suter did it all himself because he was that high of a calibre. This year they dont have that. BUT, they do have a rangy big D man in Gill to handle lots of even strngth minutes and provide the defense needed. On the PP Josi, Ellis or Blum can provide some respectable support there. So while they do not have a comparable replacement player. They do possess comparable Role-Players. That is also without the assumption that anyone of those guys takes the next step either. Ultimately, I did not make any offers, because there was nothing in my case that I could put together for the respective Weber owners that would not be so transparently one-sided enough to make me eat the 14M he will be getting next year. And similarly high salary beyond. - Sovereign Fri, 09 Nov 2012 14:20:04 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/917-holding-court/5037-holding-court-will-shea-webers-stats-suffer#comment-23185 [url]http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4776:wheeling-and-dealing-western-conference-part-two&catid=41:amato-mike&Itemid=117[/url] - Ryan Ma Fri, 09 Nov 2012 14:12:28 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/917-holding-court/5037-holding-court-will-shea-webers-stats-suffer#comment-23184 Another solid article Rick, My initial thoughts were exactly what Pengwin stated, that Rinne might have been over-emphasized in your argument. Besides +/-, Rinne probably won't affect Weber's fantasy value all that much... I guess this is the season where we'll answer the chicken or the egg question. Was it Suter that made Weber so good, or was it all Weber? With that said, the replacements I don't think will be all that different Suter (stats-wise at least). I wrote about it back in January and there was another one that compared the stats of Josi and Suter (which I can't find at the moment...) [url]http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4341:advancers-and-decliners-ii&catid=41:amato-mike&Itemid=117[/url] One thing that might affect Weber is because he has spent so much time along with Suter that they've developed some great chemistry together, so they know where each other were on the ice and know when to pinch and when to cover... With someone new, (Josi, Ellis, Ekholm) coming in they might need half a season to really understand each other, which might hamper Weber's production. Another thing with Weber and Suter, those were two quality defenders which made it harder for opposition teams to defend. Now with only Weber, if I were an opposition coach, I'd just key in on Weber and take my chances on Josi, Ellis or Ekholm beating me. If they're not up to the task, I win... if they beat me then adjust next game. For me the scenario that I would take is to take the cautious approach of the worst case scenario, which is to assume a regression, because of all of the changes. If that doesn't occur well no harm no foul... I'd kick myself if I went into the season expecting him to continue status quo then have him bite me in the butt with a run-of-the-mill season. League settings will play a role as well. If you're using peripheral stats with hits, BS, PIM and SOG, Weber is still one of the most productive "across-the-board" producers even if he isn't going to produce top-10 numbers for points, the peripheral stats will still be worth it. If you're looking at a straight points league, then I might drop Weber a few notches down as the "unknown" factor isn't worth the risk. - Ryan Ma Fri, 09 Nov 2012 12:54:29 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/917-holding-court/5037-holding-court-will-shea-webers-stats-suffer#comment-23183 If the article is about Weber... I'm not sure why Rinne is mentioned so often. Other than +/-... what impact does Rinne have on Weber's statistics? And I think losing one's defensive partner is a substantial impact. Not just Ryan Suter's quality, but years of chemistry. Have ANY two defensemen played as many minutes together as Weber/Suter in the last two years? As for the Weber contract situation... I think you are spinning it wrong. You say that now that he has his big pay, he'll step up to play up to it. I disagree. If anything it will be too much pressure. Also, let's remember that Weber CHOSE to sign with Philadelphia. The passionate fans in Nashville won't forget this... and if Weber stumbles or grumbles, the boos may come. On top of everything, Nashville simply won't be as good a team as the past. Last year was probably their best chance to go deep in the playoffs. How long can this team play above their talent-level? Eventually, these things come crashing down to reality. We've got to note that it's not just an impact on Weber... but the whole team realizes that Weber tried to sign with Philadelphia. The whole team is aware that Suter left for Minnesota. Can this team keep up the "We can do it" attitude that they've had? I think everybody is impressed with how well Nashville has maintained such a competitive team. I think it crashes a bit this year. Weber... Rinne... stats are comin' down. - Pengwin7 Fri, 09 Nov 2012 11:47:32 +0100