Comments for Not With a 10-Foot Pole (Part Two 2012) at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 12 out of 12 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Tue, 18 Jun 2013 23:07:31 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/915-maasquito-bites/5021-not-with-a-10-foot-pole-part-two-2012#comment-23086 Definitely, I was really torn about Hagelin vs. Kreider, I probably spent a good night mulling it over and looking at the numbers and facts. You could very well be right. The thing with looking at "series" as opposed to the "big picture" could be dangerous as well. With the Jersey series, that's only a small sample size, and only Torts truly knows why Kreider was given a bigger responsibility over Hagelin in that series. My speculation is maybe because it was a physical series and Torts wanted size and physicality of Kreider (for matchups against Parise/Elias/Kovalchuk) over Hagelin's finesse game? Generally speaking during "regular season" hockey, teams tend to lean more towards offense and getting the extra goals as opposed to "winning the game" and protecting the lead. That to me leans more towards Hagelin in the regular season than Kreider. But I've been wrong before and will be wrong again down the track, and this could be one of those times when we look back at it in 12 months time. - Ryan Ma Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:58:36 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/915-maasquito-bites/5021-not-with-a-10-foot-pole-part-two-2012#comment-23085 Yeah I always chuck that in hahahaha. But I think this year could be a bit different. There's a few that I would still draft because of their draft ranking and how Hitch uses them. McDonald is one. I think he's rising above the rest of the forwards, while most of the others are toiling around the 17-18 min mark, Hitch plays McDonald 20+ in most games, so he's one that I'd definitely would look into drafting. Backes if you're after the PIM, SOG, +/- isn't a bad option as well. But I wouldn't expect 60+ points anymore... Perron I'm also 50/50 about too... I might take him as a last-round flier if he's still available, but I wouldn't spend anything higher than that on him. - Ryan Ma Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:43:55 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/915-maasquito-bites/5021-not-with-a-10-foot-pole-part-two-2012#comment-23084 Yeah I definitely agree with you, it depends on what you treat him as... If you're looking for him to become an "all around" guy like he was in Col, then I'd rethink that. But if you want to think of him as a glorified "goon" like a Dorsett, Clarkson type who could chip in 30 points of offense with 100 PIM and 100 SOG, then by all means use that as a fair comparison. But don't treat him as a 50-pointer with the depth that the Blues have. - Ryan Ma Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:39:54 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/915-maasquito-bites/5021-not-with-a-10-foot-pole-part-two-2012#comment-23083 Depends on league settings but for me I go Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Giroux... The factor for me is Giroux doesn't have the history yet of Crosby, Malkin or Ovechkin, so that to me is a huge risk. I mean what if he regresses to 75 points, like how Perry did? How many poolies drafted Perry in their first round and end up winning a title? Injury risk is a bit hard to predict, I mean unless they're a Havlat or Gabby type, who are consistent BAB, it's hard to predict concussion injuries... With Giroux, the only way to go is down really... I mean there isn't very many 100+ point players these days, so it's not like there's lots of players to say yeah there's a lot of room for him to improve... Also the Jagr factor is a big one for me. From the games I watched last season, they played like the Sedin twins always knowing where each other were, and there was so much chemistry... And realistically speaking who did they replace him with? or are going to replace him with? Voracek, Simmonds? Read? Which is why I'm kinda skeptical about drafting him at say the 4 slot? I'd feel much more confident grabbing a Quick or Lundy at that slot that Giroux. With Crosby, Malkin, they all have that security factor that even if they miss games they still can post numbers well beyond point-per-game. So let's say Crosby misses 40 games, he'd still post 65-70 points in 42 games... If you find a IR replacement that posts 30 points in 42 games, you've got a combined total of 95-100 points from that C slot anyways. What would it take for Giroux to securely get to 100? Ovechkin is a bit of a debate, but I'm in the camp of thinking he'll rebound back to the good ol days under Oates. So I'm a bit bias there. If anything his 38 goals and 300+ SOG also gives him a slight edge too (goals generally harder to come by than assists). - Ryan Ma Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:37:53 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/915-maasquito-bites/5021-not-with-a-10-foot-pole-part-two-2012#comment-23082 First off I agree with what you say about Kreider. He's getting a lot of hype for a handful of games last spring. But there was one thing you mentioned comparing him with Hagelin that I take some issue with. You mention Hagelin garnered more ice time in the playoffs and use it as "proof" (lack of a better term) that Rangers management values him more. For the entire playoffs yes Hagelin got more ice time. But in the New Jersey series, which was New York's last series and probably most relevant to the discussion, Kreider had more ice time than Hagelin, and was playing with Stepan and Callahan I believe. I do think Kreider will get the first crack in the top 6 over Hagelin. Will he make the most of it? That's the question, but judging from the faith Tortorella especially showed in Kreider last spring he should get the first chance. - Fast Tony DeNiro Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:25:13 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/915-maasquito-bites/5021-not-with-a-10-foot-pole-part-two-2012#comment-23081 He's one of my favourites this year, I've been touting him all off-season. Great buy-low candidate, at his current draft position, very little risk IMO. Like you mentioned, injury risk is probably the biggest concern, but because of his upside, I'm happy to roll the dice once in awhile... I mean the way I look at it is if you are to win a league say 12-14 teamer, the ones that get you over the edge is the breakout players, like nabbing Karlsson last year, Perry the year before... Rarely do you win a league if you just had the run-of-the-mill stars. If I take say Edler over Green, Edler basically keeps pace with everyone else's D... He won't give me an edge over my competition. Green has the potential to put me over the edge being a top fantasy D option. That's the way I approach green... - Ryan Ma Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:16:37 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/915-maasquito-bites/5021-not-with-a-10-foot-pole-part-two-2012#comment-23080 Thanks Peng! - Ryan Ma Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:13:01 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/915-maasquito-bites/5021-not-with-a-10-foot-pole-part-two-2012#comment-23079 You forgot a few players, namely the entire Blues forward corps. - aleco83 Fri, 02 Nov 2012 07:32:43 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/915-maasquito-bites/5021-not-with-a-10-foot-pole-part-two-2012#comment-23077 Good list, although I think Chris Stewart's perceived value has fallen so much by now that in many leagues he is an interesting buy-low candidate, especially roto leagues taht count PIMs. - jacques oeuf Fri, 02 Nov 2012 06:09:27 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/915-maasquito-bites/5021-not-with-a-10-foot-pole-part-two-2012#comment-23075 Curious about your comments on Giroux and risk. Do you think the risk of Giroux not repeating is higher than the risk of Crosby or Malkin getting hurt again or Ovie not returning to form? Its all a gamble really just curious. Just curious where you would rank him? - hawkdog Fri, 02 Nov 2012 05:46:44 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/915-maasquito-bites/5021-not-with-a-10-foot-pole-part-two-2012#comment-23074 What are your thoughts on Green? I personally wouldnt draft him because regardless if Oates returns the Caps to a more run n gun style I think he is an injury risk, hes soft and often seems unmotivated to me as well. Only time will tell I guess.. - buck0198 Fri, 02 Nov 2012 04:57:14 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/915-maasquito-bites/5021-not-with-a-10-foot-pole-part-two-2012#comment-23073 Gosh... great list again. Nothing to argue from me, well done. - Pengwin7 Fri, 02 Nov 2012 04:11:37 +0100