Comments for June 27, 2012 at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 12 out of 12 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Fri, 24 May 2013 23:55:43 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/other-features-mainmenu-89/archived-ramblings/4716-june-27-2012#comment-21491 I admit I have been one to maybe "crap on Dobber" at times in the past so I will stick up for him when I think he is 100% right. I couldn't agree more on his hall of fame criteria views. I had this discussion with a co-worker a few days ago. I don't want to see "better than average" players who had long careers get in. I wanna see players who made me say "wow" for a few years get in. Bure, Lindros, Forsberg - hell ya. Gartner, Anderson - hell no. Not a fan of Cam Neely making the hall also. - Haakan Loon Wed, 27 Jun 2012 14:32:00 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/other-features-mainmenu-89/archived-ramblings/4716-june-27-2012#comment-21486 pitts - well put But living in Toronto, this may be biased (but it also means I was very exposed to him, seeing most of his games), but there were about 3 years there where I honestly felt Sundin was one of the three best forwards in the world. In terms of pure talent, Shanahan was nowhere near as close. Different styles, however. But Sundin was magical for a few years. Hell, he made Hoglund a 60-point guy didn't he? - Dobber Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:44:06 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/other-features-mainmenu-89/archived-ramblings/4716-june-27-2012#comment-21485 hunterguy said: ... Sundin - yes... you're kidding. At least not on the first ballot. Not even the second. To be ahead of Shanahan and Lindros is just plain wrong. You misread...I wouldn't have put Sundin in...I agree with your sentiments! - pittshamblyuins Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:12:22 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/other-features-mainmenu-89/archived-ramblings/4716-june-27-2012#comment-21483 I wouldve put Lindros in before Sundin- but its close. Gartner I have no problem with. As for Mogilny due to what he did for hockey- yes it took balls,but he wasnt the only maverick or pioneer. Nedved,Svoboda and Anton and Peter Statsny all defected (not Russian-but Czechoslovakia has contributed to hockey almost as much,especially considering the population difference). Ivan Hlinka,Jiri Bubla,Vaclav Nedomansky,Sergei Prykin (sp?)Victor Nachaev, Salming and Hammarstrom have all contributed to the internationalization of the NHL. Mogilny warrants consideration on his numbers alone (on the buble for me,but you also have to consider his international stats as well- its the hockey hall of fame-not the NHL HOF). - Rollie1967 Wed, 27 Jun 2012 09:09:03 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/other-features-mainmenu-89/archived-ramblings/4716-june-27-2012#comment-21482 Sundin - yes... you're kidding. At least not on the first ballot. Not even the second. To be ahead of Shanahan and Lindros is just plain wrong. - hunterguy Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:40:49 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/other-features-mainmenu-89/archived-ramblings/4716-june-27-2012#comment-21481 Hall of Fame shouldn't be restrictive to a generation. Simply...you should only need to ask yourself...did this player accomplish something special that not many players ever will accomplish. With that question asked...Sakic-yes, Bure-yes, Oates-bubble...but yes, Sundin-not for me he didn't. - pittshamblyuins Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:32:24 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/other-features-mainmenu-89/archived-ramblings/4716-june-27-2012#comment-21480 "Owners want a 50-50 revenue split with the players. Currently they get 43-57. Prediction: This gets settled at 47-53, meaning owners cave". I think this is actually the players caving, just by not as much as the owners would like. - His Dudeness Wed, 27 Jun 2012 06:34:25 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/other-features-mainmenu-89/archived-ramblings/4716-june-27-2012#comment-21479 You're giving me stats. I didn't mean to give my theory any criteria at all. Just your heart. How does your heart feel? Gartner was never a member of Team Earth. I just want the Hall to have the very best hockey players in it from their time. I don't care if a player had 25 goals for 25 straight seasons (which, by the way, under current criteria would get a guy in). Give me the guy who scored 60 three times and then retired, over the guy who scored 25 goals 25 times. - Dobber Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:47:09 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/other-features-mainmenu-89/archived-ramblings/4716-june-27-2012#comment-21478 Wrong and wrong. Jim Carey was never the best for 730 days. Although granted he was Top 3 for 365 days. Cheechoo - again, Top 9 for 365 days, not for 730. But feel free to make this a "crap on Dobber" comments section - remember I give as good as I get LOL!!! But you are forgetting Part 2 of my theory - your heart. So....QUICK - does Jim Carey get in the Hall of Fame? I'm sure I know what your reflex answer is. So your arguments here are moot. - Dobber Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:44:09 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/other-features-mainmenu-89/archived-ramblings/4716-june-27-2012#comment-21477 Finally! Finally - Jonathon Cheechoo can find his rightful place in the Dobb HOF! Oh wait, is he still playing? ;D - germant Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:23:51 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/other-features-mainmenu-89/archived-ramblings/4716-june-27-2012#comment-21476 Jim Carey - HOFer!! We need 9 more to make a proper Dob of Fame, come on guys... - Finnbar Wed, 27 Jun 2012 04:55:17 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/other-features-mainmenu-89/archived-ramblings/4716-june-27-2012#comment-21475 Dobbs, I understand your point about being the best at your position over a two year period. It should be a factor, but simply not the only one. I'm not a huge Gartner fan necessarily but its hard to argue not inducting someone averaging a goal almost every two games over such a long career (708 goals in 1432 games). Sure if it was only over a 400 game career, one would not get in. But there aren't many players who played so long and scored so many. But i guess this theory would allow Andreychuk and I admit, that would be hard to swallow??!!?? - Jaxx Wed, 27 Jun 2012 04:51:29 +0100