Comments for June 11, 2012 at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 9 out of 9 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Sat, 18 May 2013 16:23:08 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4676-june-11-2012#comment-21199 Dobber - this is of course the domain of pro scouts to determine whether or not the young players in the organization are ready for a top 6 role. Colorado obviously feels that: 1. Nobody is ready to step up 2. That they are comfortable putting Jones in a supporting role if/when the young players are ready to take his spot 3. That Jones contract would not prevent them from trading/buying out if necessary Jones is likely not part of the rebuild (neither is Hejduk), as neither player will be with the team if/when the Avs are contenders again. I feel as though this contract will be one of many (much like Florida last season), as Colorado is currently well below the cap floor. - jer_33 Mon, 11 Jun 2012 08:38:17 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4676-june-11-2012#comment-21197 jer - I target all dumb contracts. You should know that by now, Jones is hardly alone here on this site. That one-line statement was meant to be funny, and cluttering it up with small print like "*not including young players on the rise" makes the joke less funny. But you should have left your comment at that, because what you say makes sense. But then you say "in order to rebuild, teams have to suck" and that's where you go off the rails. That statement is true, of course, but how does signing Jones help a rebuild? It holds a good young player off the pro roster and it hurts the ice time of two or three other young players ready to take the next step. - Dobber Mon, 11 Jun 2012 08:01:22 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4676-june-11-2012#comment-21194 "Logic 101: if your team sucks, and you bring back every player on your team, then your team will continue to suck." Seems illogical to me. You are assuming that all players will put up the same numbers year over year, and that young players cannot get any better. Also, in order to rebuild, teams have to suck. The cap world is different. For teams clinging to the cap floor (teams that are also 2-3 years away from contention), these little overpayments (200k by your best guess) appear to be a necessity. Look at Florida, and tell me who ISN'T overpaid. Fans get too hung up on salary vs. production, but fail to look at contracts in proper context. Many teams are required to overpay free agents based on the size of the market, or competitive cycle of the team. Many players are overpaid due to the lack of any trade clauses. Sometimes they work out, more often they don't. Colorado had a few options here, and resigning Jones means that they don't have to take the risk of missing out on a comparable player in free agency, overpaying a lesser player - or missing out entirely. The average contract in the league should be somewhere around $3.5 (70mil/20 man roster), with better than half your team likely earning significantly less. Jones' contract put him squarely in the upper half of the teams salary structure in a 2nd line role. With a flexible contract (and some serious cap flexibility in Colorado), I don't see why anyone should target this contract as one that is a real problem. - jer_33 Mon, 11 Jun 2012 05:43:29 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4676-june-11-2012#comment-21193 Immortal - most owners are losing money, and the other sports have conceded the 50-50 split. And logically...you would think that a 50-50 split should have been the arrangement to begin with. Woodrow - Not having a prospect in the FPR does not mean that he is a bad prospect or that his stock has fallen, or an oversight. It's a combination of how much time we have, how many players are done for each team (if Team A has 14 players done and Team B only has 10 players profiled...then chances are we won't be adding a prospect to Team A's section). Sproul is on the cusp of being added, but only if time permits. Blueman - too many different types of keeper leagues, I would make more readers unhappy than happy if I were to do that. And Schultz won't be the answer for Detroit because they don't rush prospects. If Smith couldn't get full time last year, what makes you think Schultz will get full time this year? They don't do it that way - Dobber Mon, 11 Jun 2012 05:07:37 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4676-june-11-2012#comment-21192 I don't think his omission has to do with his stock falling, simply that there are a LOT of prospects out there, and he's still likely many years from NHL action. There is a piece that is less than a week old on Ryan Sproul at prospects.dobbersports.com that updates you as much as the prospect guide could hope to. In short he had a strong year on a bad OHL team, and both his offense and defense have continued to grow. I am still quite high on Sproul myself, I think he's Detroit's top defensive prospect once Smith graduates. - Brady19 Mon, 11 Jun 2012 05:03:55 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4676-june-11-2012#comment-21190 "The owners need to get that 57-43 revenue share closer to a 50-50 split (among other issues), but they may have to concede a little higher than that." Just curious, why do they NEED to go 50-50? Are the owners not making money? - immortal_leafs Mon, 11 Jun 2012 02:54:22 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4676-june-11-2012#comment-21189 Will the Prospect's Report have an update on Wings prospect Ryan Sproul? I seem to remember him being a pretty good prospect last year, yet there was nothing on him in this latest edition... perhaps an oversight or has his stock just fallen that far? - woodrow Mon, 11 Jun 2012 02:40:54 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4676-june-11-2012#comment-21188 Maybe the wings will bring in Schultz if they don't get Suter. Also - for the prospects report, I would see some value in a keeper league draft results (ie. not a mock for the NHL teams, but for your fantasy team). This would provide a nice view on the fantasy value of the prospects in the draft. - Blueman Mon, 11 Jun 2012 02:19:31 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4676-june-11-2012#comment-21187 [quote]Logic 101: if your team sucks, and you bring back every player on your team, then your team will continue to suck.[/quote] Sorry, when I read this I thought you were talking about the Flames for a minute, my mistake. - UKflames Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:09:38 +0100