Comments for March 23, 2012 at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 17 out of 17 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Wed, 22 May 2013 01:01:35 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4510-march-23-2012#comment-20123 With Schneider needing 1more year to UFA status, Id be surprised if he signed elsewhere. The payoff could be HUGE as a UFA, and for a team to sign him to an offersheet now(that the Nucks wouldnt match) its gonna cost them a 1st round pick + others, the teams that really need a goalie: Toronto,Tampa,Columbus,Edmonton- all have very good pics coming there way and losing it for Schneider might be too high a price. Now if a middle of the pack team decides they need one (ie- Brodeur retires, Byrzgalov has himself committed) then all bets are off. Ive heard projections that the cap could go up 4-6 million, meaning for 1 year- the Canucks could easily give Schneider a good raise to stay (seeing as only Raymond and Salo are UFA's and unlikely to see raises). As for Luongo- if he plays have decent and they win- he's not going anywhere, if he costs them a series.... I think they start to shop him. That being said, when you look at the goalies who've won the Cup recently- they all had big ?? beside their names. Fleury? couldnt win the big one Osgood? worst starter in the playoffs Niemi? who? him? in his first real playoffs? Khabby? nah- hes a russian. even Thomas was considered washed up at the start of last season. past his prime- until Rask got hurt and lost his rythmn. Some great goalies ability to win it all has been questioned: Hasek, Joseph,Belfour,Vernon, Moog, Cechmanek (ok im kidding with that last one).Hell even the Bruins of the 70's couldnt decide between Cheevers and Gilbert for years, and the Isles with Resch and Smith before settling on one. Lets face it Roy and Brodeur are 2 of the best of all time, the best right now- are a step below- but nothing wrong with that. - Larry Fri, 23 Mar 2012 19:34:18 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4510-march-23-2012#comment-20122 Florida is my bet if craps the bed in the playoffs. His wife lives there doesn't she? so he would agree to go there. FLA has lots of prospects and an extra first rounder from Detroit they could use. The wild card is Tallon. Either way they better not lose Schneider to a RFA offer sheet, will Schneider wait and see what offers he might get? What is he worth at the draft in terms of trading if he is still a RFA? - mick Fri, 23 Mar 2012 15:28:14 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4510-march-23-2012#comment-20121 Hi Angus, What I say may be a bit obvious, but I believe strongly that how Luongo plays during the playoffs will determine if he remains with the Canucks. I have always liked Luongo, with the exception of the few seasons before this one which I felt he needed to eat some humble pie and acknowledge when he didn't play well. I was thrilled when they got him from Florida. However,I'm not really sure anymore that he is capable of helping the Canucks win a Cup. I think this year is his last chance to prove that he can. I understand the length of his contract to some has been an issue, and that there is a no movement clause, but Dan Boyle had one and he was forced out of Tampa Bay. Anybody can get traded, especially if Wayne Gretzky can. There is a part of me that wants to see him get moved because I will be disappointed if they move Cory Schneider. A change of scenery might be good for Luongo anyways. - Emanuel Sequeira Fri, 23 Mar 2012 14:49:08 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4510-march-23-2012#comment-20120 The only way someone is going to 100% agree with ~30 observations from across the league is if they write it themselves! If you find a tidbit you find interesting, check the facts/ stats for yourself, and make your own informed opinion. That goes for all readers! Nothing is gospel! Question everything (except me)! - Chris Fri, 23 Mar 2012 10:45:03 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4510-march-23-2012#comment-20119 Luongo and Schneider are pretty close to equal at this stage of their careers with Luongo being a bit better. Yes, he has a NMC but he may not be agreeable to being in a "earn your time" 50/50 split situation, even on a contender. Also, in two years there is an out clause. Two years from then there is another outclause. (One for management and one for Lu, can't remember which is which). If they can get rid of Luongo in two years, Schneider might be willing to stay. If not, the timing might be perfect for the next rising star in the Canucks organization, Lack. Lack has a potential equal to Schneider, at least for me. I also think he would be highly desirable to a team like, ironically, Florida, TB, NYI or NJ. Most of those teams aren't cup contenders just yet and would be delighted with winning 10 more games every year even if they only make it to the second round of the playoffs. - Austin Fri, 23 Mar 2012 10:38:14 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4510-march-23-2012#comment-20118 He seems to be in the driver's seat regarding his contract (although there are outs after years 5 and 7 if I recall correctly) so I think the crux of the issue is whether he'd agree to move from a Canucks team which stands to be competitive for the next few years, to another team. - His Dudeness Fri, 23 Mar 2012 09:39:52 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4510-march-23-2012#comment-20117 If Hits ever become part of my league I'll be drafting gusy like Ott, Robidas, Eriksson, Benn, Ribeiro. If you haven't noticed the pattern, DALLAS has an over-awarding building. - Ken Landry Fri, 23 Mar 2012 08:39:19 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4510-march-23-2012#comment-20116 Seriously, I can't take you seriously at all now when you blurt out things like that. Seriously! LOL, joking aside, Ribeiro is a great handler of the puck and unfortunately plays against the better lines night-in, night-out. It's that simple. - Ken Landry Fri, 23 Mar 2012 08:37:26 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4510-march-23-2012#comment-20115 FP - Good take Repent - it is a far from perfect stat, but at least it is a positive measure. Martin - my comment was mostly in jest, and referencing the entire season. Quick has been a man alone. Pengwin - please don't tell me you think +/- is actually the best indicator of defensive play.... Ribeiro is a better defensive player than all of those listed, save for Eriksson. And I fail to see how one rambling out of 20 or 30 that you disagree with makes me "hard to take serious." - Jeff Angus Fri, 23 Mar 2012 07:38:24 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4510-march-23-2012#comment-20114 The Canucks are in a weird spot with Luongo. If he has a great playoffs then there is no way they can move him. If he chokes, his contract makes him almost un-moveable. Somewhere in the middle, the Canucks could probably move him but Canucks fans/media are so fickle (like the rest of fans really) they will put too much blame/credit on him. - frozenpools Fri, 23 Mar 2012 07:18:13 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4510-march-23-2012#comment-20113 because they vary so wildly from building to building, because they are not collected by NHL personnel but by building personnel. If you want to add a completely random stat to your pool, choose hits, where you can improve your standings by drafting players from teams whose building personnel over-award them with hits. - Repent Tokyo Fri, 23 Mar 2012 06:35:29 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4510-march-23-2012#comment-20112 Ummmm... the Kings scored 21 goals in the 5 games prior to last night. Ease up a little on the Kings offense, besides they were facing future Vezina trophy winner Brian Elliott. - Martin Fri, 23 Mar 2012 06:22:37 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4510-march-23-2012#comment-20111 [i][Ribeiro] makes so many smart plays with and without the puck. So strong on it, too. He'd be mentioned as one of the better centers in the league if he played in a bigger hockey market.[/i] Oh my dear, Angus. You have some very good things to say and then you go and let some baloney fall from your mouth and it's hard to take you serious. After I read the comment I thought... "Oh, Dallas must have played Vancouver last night and Angus must have seen Ribeiro play a decent shift or two". Let me break down some numbers for you: +20 Eriksson, Loui +20 Ryder, Michael +16 Benn, Jamie ... ... ... +5 Ribeiro, Mike (and his previous three years are -4/-5/-4... ugh) The center is the guy most responsible for his line's +/- because he has most responsibility of taking care of defensive goals against. And I can tell you that Ribeiro is not in the top half of the league as a defensive center. And when your #1 center is well below his own linemates in +/-... well, he doesn't get to be considered as "one of the better centers in the league". (and along with the stats - I watch quite a bit of Dallas Stars hockey) Mike Ribeiro... I mean, seriously... Mike Ribeiro?!? LOL, that made my morning. - Pengwin7 Fri, 23 Mar 2012 04:29:24 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4510-march-23-2012#comment-20110 In what way am I being optimistic? In terms of him having trade value? Look around the league at how many teams need goaltending help. Luongo's cap hit of $5 million and change would be attractive to many of them. I'm not sure what you mean by "too smart" as well. Is it smart to have bad goaltending? I'm sure this wasn't your point. And I'd say Steve Mason for a few million or going with a 42-year-old starter is riskier than giving $5 million to a top 10 goalie in the league. I guess the crux of the issue is contract length, and Luongo isn't going to play his out. Like Kiprusoff, the last few years of the deal are a joke in terms of what he actually makes financially. - Jeff Angus Fri, 23 Mar 2012 03:32:46 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4510-march-23-2012#comment-20109 31 Goals in 35 games since Jan 1st. Stamkos has 24 in 36 ;D - Pontus Andersson Fri, 23 Mar 2012 01:06:53 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4510-march-23-2012#comment-20108 [quote] "I have a hunch the Canucks move Luongo and keep Schneider (depending a lot on how the postseason plays out). Luongo’s contract is a lot like Jeff Carter’s – very long, but with a reasonable cap hit. Luongo has choked in the playoffs but he’s an elite regular season goalie, and could help a lot of teams get back to that level of respectability. He’s also going to retire long before his deal expires." [/quote] Jeff, at times I feel like you are a bit overly optimistic when it comes certain Canadian teams. No way the Canucks move Lou with his current contract. NHL teams are becoming more and more reticent when it comes to long term goalie contracts and the organizations in most dire need of goal-tending are either too smart (chicago, tampa, toronto?) or won't risk the money (Blue Jackets, NYI). My guess is that Lou will only leave Vancouver through retirement or the minors. - Jake K. Thu, 22 Mar 2012 23:23:55 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4510-march-23-2012#comment-20107 I still own Roloson in a keeper league, but I started Lehtonen over him tonight :( Logical decisions don't always work out unfortunately. - FV Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:08:38 +0100