Comments for Forensics - Jaroslav Halak and Brian Elliott at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 7 out of 7 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Sat, 25 May 2013 23:10:29 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/918-frozen-pool-forensics/4362-forensics-jaroslav-halak-and-brian-elliott#comment-19320 Elliott already signed a two-year extension with a cap hit of 1.8M/year. - KK Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:53:43 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/918-frozen-pool-forensics/4362-forensics-jaroslav-halak-and-brian-elliott#comment-19312 Elliott has a 10W -6L loss record against teams currently in a playoff position .Halak on the other hand is 5W -8L.Elliotts road record is also superior 7W 5L Halak is 2w and 7L losses.My point is obvious Elliott wins the tough ones. - Bruce Allen Wed, 08 Feb 2012 07:00:05 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/918-frozen-pool-forensics/4362-forensics-jaroslav-halak-and-brian-elliott#comment-19311 I really like all the number-crunching... I'm a big fan of effort. There are times though when I feel that pounding the statistics is overkill & not of significant value. Comparing STL-Hitch-Halak to STL-Hitch-Elliott doesn't have a lot of value, IMO. IMO, the St.Louis system is allowing both goalies to excel. We know this. As the back-up, there is very little expections (/pressure) on Elliott. I think this helps his mental focus. A nice nugget of information is Halak's success since Hitch came in. For some goalies, the "feeling" of a coach forcing the team to play more defensively (smarter) can really help a goalie's mental focus. The feeling of support. I think this is the reason for Halak's triumphs. Overall though, comparing shots from in-close (0-15ft) or far-away (30-45ft) between goalies is digging in the wrong direction. A guy like Zdeno Chara is going to unleash 90% of his shots from the blue line. Some years he's shot over 8%, some year's he's shot under 3%. Was he picking his corners in good years? Or was there simply some lucky puck bounces & effective screens? Diving into smaller statistical samples is going to create a greater chance of misinterpretation. Perhaps the goalie giving up more goals from in tight was simply playing against teams with better stick-handlers & close-range shooters. In the long-distance goals, it would be interesting to watch (or reference) these and note how many were simply the luck of a screen or tip. I think a comparison of these two goalies is of little value. They are both thriving in Hitch's environment and Hitch seems to be giving Halak 3/5 games & Elliott 2/5 games. A comparison between EACH goalie's past performances & how EACH goalie's stastics have changed in Hitch-St.Louis would have been a better study... my 2 cents. Overall, great effort though... would have preferred to have seen player self-comparisons though. (As an aside, I've always wondered about these "shot distances". How accurate are they from arena to arena. ESPN posts shootout information and I often see a shot distance of something like 19ft... on a shootout deke!?! I don't believe we have an understanding of the NHL statistician's accuracy of shot distance - unless there is a GPS chip in the puck that I don't know about...) - Pengwin7 Wed, 08 Feb 2012 06:57:22 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/918-frozen-pool-forensics/4362-forensics-jaroslav-halak-and-brian-elliott#comment-19308 Hey Michael, posted this yesterday about Halak and Elliott. Just a little fun fact I noticed about the two netminders. http://www.dobberhockey.com/index.php?option=com_jfusion&Itemid=122&jfile=showthread.php&t=125688 - Matthieu Poirier Wed, 08 Feb 2012 03:35:16 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/918-frozen-pool-forensics/4362-forensics-jaroslav-halak-and-brian-elliott#comment-19303 Nice article. Where did you get the stats for save percentage based on shot distance? - Value Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:32:20 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/918-frozen-pool-forensics/4362-forensics-jaroslav-halak-and-brian-elliott#comment-19302 Not sure how it applies, but Elliott hadn't won a game since January 7th (until tonight). So, to me Halak seems pretty clearly #1. - Aaron Tue, 07 Feb 2012 18:04:58 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/918-frozen-pool-forensics/4362-forensics-jaroslav-halak-and-brian-elliott#comment-19301 THEIR average shots faced per game, not THERE average shots. Halak FARES much better, not FAIRS much better. Playoff BERTH, not BIRTH. Regardless of the information presented (and really, how many poolies didn't already know that the Blues tandem has been solid?), such sloppy writing makes DobberHockey look amateurish. It's one thing in the Forums, but bylined articles should be better than this. - John H. Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:38:12 +0100