Comments for January 18, 2012 at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 23 out of 20 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Sun, 19 May 2013 00:13:25 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4301-january-18-2012#comment-19010 It was a classic 50/50 play for the puck and Orpik did as he has been trained to do in that situation, take the body, ignore the puck. Now if you want a league where the rules favor the player who throw bodychecks then enjoy your Orpiks. If you want to see a league of Jeff Skinners who make actually hockey plays with the puck, then vote in my new rule change: Bodychecking without making an attempt to gain control of the puck afterwards is a penalty+. The game should be about making offensive hockey plays with the puck, and defensively making plays to remove the puck from your opponents, without taking their head off. Focus the game on the skill of hockey. It's 2012, not ancient Rome. - Rob Wed, 18 Jan 2012 14:06:37 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4301-january-18-2012#comment-19007 Orpik- according to the rules- clean hit. the fact he made no play for the puck doesnt figure into it, as Skinner had the puck- Skinner put himself in a bad spot vs a dman whose only play is to hit you. Foligno- clean hit- but barely. A few inches higher than Marchands hit- and the fact Phaneuf had played the puck made him fair game. Dont like either player- but Foligno is building a reputation for playing on the edge, he wont get the benefit of the doubt much longer. - Larry Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:31:38 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4301-january-18-2012#comment-19005 Skinner - I'm not sure why this one is even debatable? Textbook shoulder hit by Orpik there is absolutely nothing wrong with that hit. Orpik had his arms down, stick down, he glided into the check.....what is questionable about that? Foligno - He definitely didn't go as low as Marchand did, that's the biggest difference between the two. Also, Phaneuf jumped at the last second which I think caused him to flip, whereas Marchand's hit was low enough Salo flipped without any help from a jump. Not saying Phaneuf did anything wrong by jumping, but the hit was high enough if he had stayed on his feet he would have simply fallen on top of Foligno and not gone head over heels. Unnecessary hit by Foligno maybe, but nothing like Marchand's and clean. - Seth Wed, 18 Jan 2012 07:49:42 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4301-january-18-2012#comment-19004 The was EFFING awesome! Couldn't happen to a bigger douche. ZERO difference between that and Marchand another douche. Foligno should get 5 games too. Problem is had he not did that, Phaneuf would have destroyed him. Gray area. - Dave Wed, 18 Jan 2012 07:27:37 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4301-january-18-2012#comment-19003 Taken from NHL rulebook: "44.1 Clipping - Clipping is the act of throwing the body, from any direction, across or below the knees of an opponent. A player may not deliver a check in a “clipping” manner, nor lower his own body position to deliver a check on or below an opponent’s knees. An illegal “low hit” is a check that is delivered by a player who may or may not have both skates on the ice, with his sole intent to check the opponent in the area of his knees. A player may not lower his body position to deliver a check to an opponent’s knees." Foligno did lower his body and was aiming the hit at the knees and in my view his butt did hit Phaneuf's knees. - D. Chappell Wed, 18 Jan 2012 07:12:39 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4301-january-18-2012#comment-19002 Orpik on Skinner: clean hit. Keep your head up Jeff! Skinner was a little wonky right after the hit, missed a couple shifts and came back out. He even was yapping at Orpik on his first shift back but the Pens broadcast did not reveal what was said. Foligno on Phaneuf: clean hit. It was just very poorly executed hit check on Foligno's part. There was no low bridge, there was no intent to injure but there certainly was an intent to flip Phaneuf end over end. - Maximus Wed, 18 Jan 2012 06:49:12 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4301-january-18-2012#comment-19001 Two things that distinguish the Foligno hit from the Marchand hit: 1) Phaneuf was carrying the puck. So Foligno isn't hitting him in a predatory manner. (This was mentioned earlier) 2) Foligno doesn't punch Phaneuf in the head TWICE before the hit. Huge, huge difference in terms of predation and intent. - Jeff Wed, 18 Jan 2012 06:45:19 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4301-january-18-2012#comment-19000 Usually I don't comment on body-checks and infractions because there is so much "grey area" to interpreting them. [b]IMO, the Foligno check is a very clean interpretation... involving, the GOOD, the BAD, and the UGLY.[/b] [u]The good[/u]: The check itself is clean. It is a hip check. Phaneuf is a big guy and smaller players (myself included @ 5'-9") are taught in junior hockey to hit the bigger players lower. If you can get your center of mass concentrated and low, you can cause a larger players CoM to tip over top of you. Like running into a tombstone. It's a very effective check against larger players... and [b]to my knowledge, a legal check... if the player has puck possession[/b]. You can't hit a player at the knees or below the knees, but above the knees is OK. [u]The bad[/u]: Foligno has enough time to see Phaneuf move the puck past him. As Foligno has no "momentum towards" Phaneuf, he is not "finishing his check". [b]Therefore, it's not exactly great sportsmanship by Foligno - but that doesn't mean it's illegal either.[/b] [u]The ugly[/u]: The referees got the penalty call wrong. They called "clipping". By NHL Rule 44.1 [i]Clipping - Clipping is the act of throwing the body, from any direction, across or below the knees of an opponent. [b]A player may not deliver a check in a “clipping” manner, nor lower his own body position to deliver a check on or below an opponent’s knees[/b]. An illegal “low hit” is a check that is delivered by a player or goalkeeper who may or may not have both skates on the ice, with his sole intent to check the opponent in the area of his knees. A player may not lower his body position to deliver a check to an opponent’s knees.[/i] From what I saw, the hit was not across or below the knees... it is still above. Most hip checks are between the knee & the hip. This one appeared to be right there as well. Actually, by Rule 56 Interference, Foligno is not required to move from his spot on the ice. [i]56.1 Interference - A strict standard on acts of interference must be adhered to in all areas of the rink... A player is allowed the ice he is standing on (body position) and is not required to move in order to let an opponent proceed. [/i] Foligno's hit landed on the pant of Phaneuf. Definitely above the knee. Phaneuf (wisely) jumps just prior to the hit... smart on Phaneuf's part as injuries occur less often if one's momentum is not fully halted. But... the term "clipping" is widely interpreted as "illegal" and unsportsmanlike. Over a few minutes of stirring in Phaneuf's brain... he's thinking "That guy f*#$**n clipped me". Well, Dion, no... no, he didn't. But the refs made the wrong penalty call and now you are getting all pent up with rage. Fight a few minutes later & this morning it is a BIG deal. [u][b]Summary:[/b][/u] 1) A clean hit if Phaneuf is carrying the puck. 2) Probably not the most sportsmanlike hit... but may not have even warranted a penalty. 3) And a huge overreaction thanks to Phaneuf having his pride hurt & the referees calling a penalty with the wrong term. It wasn't clipping. It wasn't interference either... but "Interference" would have been a better call, IMO. My 2 cents. - Pengwin7 Wed, 18 Jan 2012 05:51:08 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4301-january-18-2012#comment-18999 It seems to me that Foligno was low early enough, and that Phaneuf was originally facing him throughout the approach so he may have or should have seen Foligno was low prior to the hit, the opportunity appears to at least have been there. It didn't seem to be a dirty hit to me. - Ross The Boss Palmer Wed, 18 Jan 2012 05:50:42 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4301-january-18-2012#comment-18998 I agree with shaun b, both of those hits look ok to me, especially the hit on Skinner. The only reason we're talking about it is because Skinner had just returned from a concussion and could possibly have another one. Otherwise, the hit was shoulder to shoulder. Not much to say about the hit on Phaneuf, looks like it was just below the waist. Last I heard Phaneuf is a pretty big guy. - Bender Wed, 18 Jan 2012 05:39:13 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4301-january-18-2012#comment-18997 seriously, that Foligno hit is nothing. It's called a hip check, he even gets Phaneuf in the back if you watch it closely. He got 2 minutes, you don't need anything more than that. Phaneuf embellished. This league is so soft now. - Big Ev Wed, 18 Jan 2012 05:37:27 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4301-january-18-2012#comment-18996 Jeremy Wark, you clearly know nothing about Nick Foligno. Stop being ignorant. - Big Ev Wed, 18 Jan 2012 05:35:50 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4301-january-18-2012#comment-18995 I guarantee Orpik was looking to knock Skinner out. He's hitting to hurt. Thats why they do hits like that because they know there wont be any retaliation. And there wasnt. Bring back the goons from 20 yrs ago now. - DuklaNation Wed, 18 Jan 2012 05:28:48 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4301-january-18-2012#comment-18994 For the fantasy junkie who needs more for their fix! http://thehockeywriters.com/20-players-to-watch-under-20-owned-shaw-desharnais-and-more/ - littleranger Wed, 18 Jan 2012 05:19:51 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4301-january-18-2012#comment-18993 Foligno, like Marchand et all, ducks a shoulder hit because he's a pu$$y. These are the rats that will rule the league without heavyweights. Guys that chatter, facewash and run away from getting hit - give them all unsportsmanlike penalties or call them for diving. - Jeremy Wark Wed, 18 Jan 2012 04:58:28 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4301-january-18-2012#comment-18992 I don't know what is wrong with the Foligno hit. Phaneuf clearly tries to jump over/around him and makes it much worse than if he had just run into the guy. I am the same height as Phaneuf and I've had guys try this again me on the ice, I basically just fall on top of them to avoid going ass over tea kettle like Phaneuf did here. - Immortal Leafs Wed, 18 Jan 2012 03:59:15 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4301-january-18-2012#comment-18991 Guys, I hate to be the one to break it to ya but this game is very physical. 220lb specimen flying around the ice. And some of them even throw body checks, big and small. For the people that want to remove these checks (not dirty hits) from hockey, I suggest taking up table tennis or maybe a water sport. There was absolutely no intent to injure anyone on either play and to say there was is just wrong and doesn't fully understand the type of sport they are watching. Orpik hit; Pure hockey play. The puck was advanced out of zone, the forward (Skinner), raced after it and tried to poke check the puck along the board while still getting by Orpik on the outside. That was his first mistake. He should have went along the boards to retrieve the puck instead of trying to get by Orpik on the outside. Any D man at all is gonna take the body knowing full well the forward is gonna slide right by him. If Orpik goes for the puck first too, in a foot race with Skinner, well, that's not what you're taught and he would have been burned bad. It's on Skinner for putting himself in that vulnerable position. Foligno hit; Just look at the 52 second mark in slow mo. It's really not much of a hit besides Phaneuf going down like a Redwood. Give Foligno a tripping penalty and be done with it. Green's Ab surgery recovery; That would be awesome if he came back with a new and improve groin/ab etc. But that's not gonna do anything for his shoulder, knee, hip flexor, ankle injuries and beyond. The guy is like a broken record, it just doesn't play. - shaun b Wed, 18 Jan 2012 03:30:20 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4301-january-18-2012#comment-18990 Dukla, I don't get why a clean hit should be countered by wrecking a soft superstar's knees. That's just bush league. Every time your star player skates around with his head down you have to go after someone else's star? How about teach your teammate how to be aware of what's going on on the ice... As for Foligno, he went after Phaneuf for sure. But unlike the Marchand play, Phaneuf was the puck carrier. Still clipping since he lowered his body to make a hit below the waist (though I'm not sure he went low enough for the knees, as the rule stipulates), but the on-ice penalty should be sufficient IMO. Bias disclosure: Sens fan. - Guy Incognito Wed, 18 Jan 2012 03:19:36 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4301-january-18-2012#comment-18989 Both hits are not good hockey plays... know why? Neither player went for the puck. Foligno wasn't even close to the puck when he hit Phaneuf, it was already in teh corner. Orpik was almost worse because he was fully in reach of the puck but chose to hit Skinner who wasn't at teh puck either. Here is my new rule for hockey: If you aren't making a play for the puck, you can't hit anybody. The point of hky is to take the puck and go score. Teeing off on players without worrying about teh puck is simply a deliberate attempt to injure. - elTIGREblanc Wed, 18 Jan 2012 02:44:41 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/24-rambling/4301-january-18-2012#comment-18988 Does anyone know what's up with Niklas Backstrom (MIN)? Why hasn't he been playing (or even backing up Harding)? - Username Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:16:48 +0100