Comments for Patrick Kane vs. Claude Giroux at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 12 out of 12 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Sat, 25 May 2013 09:58:48 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/4137-patrick-kane-vs-claude-giroux#comment-17940 funny to read this article because i was offered Benn & Kane for Giroux and Sergei Kostitsyn or Nazem Kadri.... the thing is Giroux is a local boy and everybody in my league want's him.. so people are ready to overpay a bit, because i have no interest in trading him.. but this offer is too good to pass IMO. - Martin Grenier Thu, 24 Nov 2011 12:50:47 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/4137-patrick-kane-vs-claude-giroux#comment-17935 Oh snap! - steve laidlaw Thu, 24 Nov 2011 04:56:33 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/4137-patrick-kane-vs-claude-giroux#comment-17929 I'll take the guy who hasn't beat up a 60 yr old cabbie over pocket change;) - flaupmes Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:47:28 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/4137-patrick-kane-vs-claude-giroux#comment-17928 foremost, great article. sorry i am not going to expand on this, i watch them play a lot and they speaks for themselves. giroux>>kane i would take giroux on my team in real life, or on my one year or keeper fantasy squad, no questions, 100% of the time. he is the superior player and fantasy option going forward. - Tyler Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:35:58 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/4137-patrick-kane-vs-claude-giroux#comment-17927 I have Kane in a cap league where you keep players until their contract is up (if they are resigned by their team prior to FA you can choose to keep them at that contract). I am in full tear down and rebuild mode and haven't decided whether to build around Kane or to trade him for a package of elite young players. This should help. Awesome article as usual! - Austin Wed, 23 Nov 2011 17:25:57 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/4137-patrick-kane-vs-claude-giroux#comment-17925 Or you could just be lucky like me and have both Kane and Giroux on your team. This way, I don't have to worry about which one I think is better - Stu Neft Wed, 23 Nov 2011 12:27:23 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/4137-patrick-kane-vs-claude-giroux#comment-17924 Sanstaya, that's an interesting take but I wonder if you aren't short-changing Kane in the character department here. I mean, Heatley? Really? I think that's far off. Heatley's biggest issue is his lack of foot speed. He's always had the size and skills to overcome that but now that he's advanced in age he's having issues with overcoming that lack of speed and after years of things coming so easily he hasn't appeared willing to put in the time. He just doesn't seem to have the drive to overcome his deficiencies. Kane is a natural so maybe when his body breaks down he'll face the same deficiency/work ethic issues that Heatley has but when is that breakdown going to happen? He's 23 years old. That's too far away to think seriously about. Plus he has better skating and way more hockey IQ than Heatley. Something tells me he will adapt. I agree with your assessment of Giroux. He is of the highest character of player. I fully endorse the Selanne comparison but is Kane really that bad of a guy? No he hasn't shown Giroux's stoicism but Giroux is an exception not the rule. We can't really expect all these guys to be captain material right out of the gate can we? I think Kane's maturity level is right where it should be at his age and as he grows older he will begin to act like more of a stoic veteran because that's what he will be. But then again character does speak to resiliency. Maybe Giroux doesn’t need anyone to pick him up when things go south while Kane, at this point in his career, does. It’s definitely something worth considering and I’m glad you brought it up so we could discuss it! - steve laidlaw Wed, 23 Nov 2011 12:27:06 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/4137-patrick-kane-vs-claude-giroux#comment-17923 Thanks Dime! I understand your conclusion and I think I didn't explain my argument dutifully enough. Right now Kane and Giroux are producing at a similar level and I believe both have the same upside. So essentially, in a vacuum both Kane and Giroux are the exact same player. IMO only extraneous factors will alter their ultimate production. Based on the fact that they are playmakers they are therefore reliant on linemates who can score. That Kane has better linemates gives him better fitness over the long haul of both a season and multiple seasons. Kane can rely on his linemates to pick him up when he gets into a funk. And really with the quality of Sharp and Hossa it is not so much a case of Kane lifting them or them lifting Kane as it is them all working together in a partnership. Can Giroux really look to a guy like Hartnell when he's struggling and get the same pick-me-up? Better linemates make you more resilient to scoring droughts. If/when the slumps come we will see who is the more resilient player. After all, these guys are stars. When they are going good there is no stopping them. They could lineup beside a twelve year old and a dead fish and still put up big numbers. It's when things go south that separate players from hitting the high point totals. - steve laidlaw Wed, 23 Nov 2011 12:13:22 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/4137-patrick-kane-vs-claude-giroux#comment-17922 Solid again Steve. I agree almost entirely with your analysis, but I still draw a slightly different conclusion. I think it is almost a wash across the board quantitatively, and therefore my determining factor is qualitative: character. Giroux's character gives me greater faith in year-to-year consistency and longevity of production. If I had to draw character comparisons I might say Giroux is closer to Selanne and Kane is closer to Heatley. And that's all I have to say to know which way the scale tips for me when the quantitative analysis is all but dead even. @Dime: just saw your comment as I was typing and although I do agree with your perspective, I might also suggest that untapped upside perhaps isn't the reason (or only reason) Giroux meets or exceeds Kane's production with lesser opportunity, but that it might be a case of essentially equal talent/upside and improved character. Cheers. - Sanstanya Wed, 23 Nov 2011 12:03:00 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/4137-patrick-kane-vs-claude-giroux#comment-17921 Enjoyed the article, but here's a different conclusion from the analysis... Giroux puts up similar offensive numbers to Kane's despite both weaker line mates AND significantly worse zone starts. This would to me suggest that if anything, Giroux has untapped offensive upside above Kane´s as a player (at least in the longer-term perspective; as the team composition and zone starts probably won't change alot in the short term). Factor in that he also has an advantage over Kane in HT, BS and SH production and I would think he has a clear edge over Kane in both keeper and one-year league formats (though of course I'd love to have either on my team) - dime Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:50:11 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/4137-patrick-kane-vs-claude-giroux#comment-17920 Thanks duducks! I really appreciate the feedback. Now about your point. Kane probably is a bit undervalued right now. He's coming off a down year (Stanley Cup hangover it should be noted) and has been around for what kind of seems like forever now, but he's 23 years old and has a late '88 birthday vs. Giroux's early '88 birthday. In reality Kane is like 10 months younger than Giroux. That doesn't mean a tonne at this stage in their careers because they are both right around that prime age but it tells you something about perception. This is Kane's fifth season in the league so he's been around forever. Giroux is in just his third full season and only his second as a star player. He still has that new car smell and the perception is that he can basically do anything. I mean, it's a breakout year so it's exciting and no one wants to let that go. The reality is that Kane is just as good as Giroux. Take away Giroux's inflated shooting percentage and they would both be producing at exactly the same pace this season. As Giroux's goal scoring regresses to the mean you will see he and Kane on par at season's end. We have yet to see what a slump really looks like for either one this year so we shall see whose performance is more reliable over the long haul. I'm not saying you are wrong to favour Giroux. I'm just offering you a perspective on why there may appear to be a difference in value to you when on paper the difference doesn't seem to exist. I will also point out that if Kane is undervalued and Giroux is overvalued then the logical move is to trade Giroux for Kane+. If you take anything away from my articles it is to treat these players like stocks. Buy low and sell high. Take advantage of any market imbalances. That or I'm just flat out reading this wrong! - steve laidlaw Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:45:03 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/4137-patrick-kane-vs-claude-giroux#comment-17919 love your cage matches - probably my favourite series on Dobber atm. But in leagues where I own Giroux, I wouldn't give him up for Kane, and leagues where I don't have Giroux, it's probably too late to ever own him. Kane on the other hand is probably cheaper now than he was 2 years ago. - duducks Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:28:48 +0100