Comments for Tortoise Versus Hare (West 2011) at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 6 out of 6 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Sun, 19 May 2013 20:03:22 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/4001-tortoise-versus-hare-west-2011#comment-16865 [b]RE: Luongo[/b] Yeah definitely I remember writing something about that in last year's column... Luongo is a tortoise. Since the lockout he has a 14-14-2 record along with a 2.85 GAA and .905 SP. The good thing is that his career October numbers are much better as they improve to 39-46-6 along with a 2.59 GAA and .916 SP, which means that the 2nd half of October is generally lights out. Another thing that's interesting with Luongo is that he generally gets pulled at least once during the first 6 games of the season. 2010-11: 6th game (Minnesota), 2009-10: 3rd (Columbus)and 6th (Calgary), 2008-09: 3rd (Washington) 2007-08: 3rd (Philadelphia), 2006-07: none, 2005-06: 5th game (Boston)... and it's generally against a team that's in the middle of the States or the East coast... My money would be the 3rd game of the season against the Flyers. I wonder if Vegas would cover a bet that Luongo would get pulled against Philly and what the payout would be if that happened? I'd put 10 bucks down just for fun... ;) - Ryan Ma Wed, 05 Oct 2011 01:56:46 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/4001-tortoise-versus-hare-west-2011#comment-16857 I don't have the numbers in front of me but I am pretty sure that Luongo is a major tortoise... I wouldn't be surprised to see him with a sub .500 record, 3 GAA and 900sv% for at least the first half of october. - Austin Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:41:57 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/4001-tortoise-versus-hare-west-2011#comment-16854 [b]RE: Monthly Stats[/b] Yeah I get what you're saying so I kinda chose ones that had more evidence to back it up. I mostly chose players that had more than 50 October games, which is probably 4-5 seasons worth of data, so that kinda eliminates the sample size problem. But yeah the first month coaches do tend to play around with them, but I think the "stars" are kinda immune (somewhat)... With these things I don't think that it's a surefire always going to happen type thing, but it's always good to know a few trends and use them to your advantage. If so and so is a slow starter, then you can understand to not hit the panic button if they have a slow start. There's a lot of poolies out there that will hit the panic button after a slow start to their star players and then make a rushed move, hopefully this article helps calm some of those nerves. Elite tandems are a "superior system to what the flawed regular H2H manager would typically employ" it is unbeatable if applied properly. ;) - Ryan Ma Tue, 04 Oct 2011 14:45:00 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/4001-tortoise-versus-hare-west-2011#comment-16853 [b]RE: Monthly Article[/b] I've toyed with the idea, but just with my initial research I don't think there's much difference between the middle months. Like there's not a lot of discrepancies between November and February compared to October vs the rest of the month. But I might do a first half vs second half one later on during the season. - Ryan Ma Tue, 04 Oct 2011 13:35:38 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/4001-tortoise-versus-hare-west-2011#comment-16850 I love the numbers and this was a very entertaining read. Personally, I don't put too much stock in "monthly" numbers as the sample size of statistics gets small when you start separating them. For example, last year Babcock put Zetterberg & Datsyuk together to start the year but then split them apart later in the year. By default, a hotter start. Same thing with the SJ line of Marleau-Thornton-Heatley. Started together and then split apart. Some coaches will sometimes create a top line to start the season. In some cases, a coach may have been experimenting with a player - like Anaheim did with Bobby Ryan last year trying him in spots like center. I do buy the theory on some players (there is maybe a "handful", that I do pay attention to) - and have always enjoyed the Morrow insight. I'm not sure what this "elite tandem" concept is that you speak of... but surely it is not Heatley's mythological LW/RW tandem-eligibility! ;) Another good one Ma! - Pengwin7 Tue, 04 Oct 2011 09:03:44 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/4001-tortoise-versus-hare-west-2011#comment-16849 Very good article! You should be doing one for each month of the season. Very helpful. Thanks - mike Tue, 04 Oct 2011 08:24:49 +0100