Comments for Peter Mueller vs. Tomas Fleischmann at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 10 out of 10 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Wed, 22 May 2013 13:48:37 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3959-peter-mueller-vs-tomas-fleischmann#comment-16428 I'll try to keep my yammering short & sweet. Nicely written article, and fun to read - I enjoyed the blend of humour and analysis. Amusingly, I came upon the Mueller/Fleischmann question last week in my keeper draft... Can't say I scoped it to the level you did, but my 5min judgement went to Mueller as well. Better team, better upside if I'm lucky, and the injuries can be a wash. (not to mention that I'm not above holding a grudge against a guy named after a brand of margarine !! [i]Alright, kinda just kidding.[/i] ) - 2Evils Thu, 15 Sep 2011 04:26:29 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3959-peter-mueller-vs-tomas-fleischmann#comment-16424 Well written piece. I would much rather have Mueller for the future but in a one year league then I dont know. - derek Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:59:07 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3959-peter-mueller-vs-tomas-fleischmann#comment-16423 Thanks Rattus. I thought I did mention that this has been an ongoing issue for Fleischmann but it's possible I just thought it and skipped over it. To me the fact that he's had clots multiple times is the key because anyone could conceivably get a random clot. To get multiple clots, multiple times suggests an underlying problem so that's what I was getting at. Thank you for confirming this with your expert testimony. The only sad part is you had to go and discredit yourself by saying you liked lemonade. No jury in the world would believe you after that. - steve laidlaw Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:07:41 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3959-peter-mueller-vs-tomas-fleischmann#comment-16422 Steve, Oddly enough, I am a doctor ("physician", to the pompous). And, oddly enough, I've also have lately been thinking of these two. I thought your analysis was bang on. You only missed telling us that this was Flash's second episode with clots. Not good. So I too would go with the head case. Lemonade! Yummmmmmmmmmmmm!! - rattus Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:02:16 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3959-peter-mueller-vs-tomas-fleischmann#comment-16416 Studley, don't lie to us, you know you don't like lemonade. As for the point of the article, you have to remember that these are sleepers we are talking about here. I am certain there are many folks who don't have one or both of these two on their draft lists so it serves as both a reminder and a guide to making this risky decision. Also, if you bought Dobber's Guide this year (and you should) you would be lead to a different conclusion than what you've seen here. So yeah, I think there was merit to this article. Thanks Norris, I'd want to know a bit more about your league settings to determine where to put Mueller. I mean, how many forwards vs. defense vs. goalies and do you distinguish between LW and other forward positions or is it just straight forwards? Just to take a shot in the dark I would recommend snagging him as late as possible because 180 really is not that deep. I would be looking at taking Mueller after the surefire LW have been plucked. You also have to consider in draft dynamics. Draft strategies must be flexible so I'd be uncomfortable putting a number on where to take Mueller but I would have him on a short list along with guys like Evander Kane, Matt Moulson, James Neal, etc. You probably have more confidence in those three but Mueller could easily yield you similar production only hopefully a lot cheaper. Ryan, I hear what you are saying but DVT was only his acute condition not the underlying problem. I want to know specifically what it is that is causing these clots. Is it some sort of deficiency, a genetic condition or something else? That's what I haven't heard narrowed down and leaves me quite skeptical about what sort of treatment he is receiving. I know they put him on blood thinners last year but surely he can't be on those and still playing, the risk of internal bleeding would be too great. Same goes for if he is taking an anti-clotting agent. Hockey is a body contact game so he is going to face his fair share of bruises. I'd hate to see this lead to further issues. Now given what UW has said (and I thank you for that UW) you can certainly bump up your confidence regarding Fleischmann. I've also read that Panthers head coach Kevin Dineen dealt with Crohn's Disease when he played so clearly the Panthers are a good franchise for Fleischmann to be playing for but I am never-the-less concerned. Until I know exactly what Fleischmann has and whether or not they are treating it specifically I will be uneasy about him. As for Mueller and concussions I must disagree about your statements. Are concussions untreatable. Basically yes but like any other injury it requires time to heal. The big thing is that with the brain you need a lot more time to heal and even the most minor of blemishes are felt because the body is essentially an extension of the brain. With proper time off a player is no more likely to receive a concussion than he was before that concussion. The reason we see players with multiple concussions receiving more than there fair share can be attributed to many factors. The first relates to that time off. Until now most players never took the appropriate amount of time off to rehab their concussions and that compounds the problem if they receive another one before the original one is healed. On top of that having received a concussion before will increase the impacts of another concussion. It does not increase the odds but will increase the severity. Finally, a big factor in concussions is susceptibility. Some people are more susceptible to concussions than others. Having had concussions previously does not make you more susceptible but it does hint that you have always been more susceptible to them than others. Things like neck strength, skull shape, prior brain chemistry, willingness to engage in physical contact are all factors in determining susceptibility to concussions. It is entirely possible that Mueller was just built to sustain concussions but the fact that he has in the past does not make it more likely to happen in the future. After all, he still needs to get bonked on the head for it to happen. Hopefully that better explains my view of the injuries. - steve laidlaw Wed, 14 Sep 2011 05:54:51 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3959-peter-mueller-vs-tomas-fleischmann#comment-16415 one thing i read this summer was a some quote attributed to Dale Tallon... something about how Tomas Vokoun has the same condition and so Flordia's medical and training staff are well versed in how to deal with it. sorry, no time to google it but it might make for a worthwhile post script. - ultrawhiteness Wed, 14 Sep 2011 05:29:12 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3959-peter-mueller-vs-tomas-fleischmann#comment-16411 I know when I heard about Fleischmann's issues, the first thing I thought about was thrombosis, which is what it most certainly was. I knew this because at the type a best friend inexplicably (well he was overweight) got DVT, or Deep Vein Thrombosis. At the time I was worried so I did a bit of research. While dangerous if undetected or untreated, once detected and treated it seems to have pretty good and stable outcomes. You have to go on drugs, but it fixes it. I don't know if it is congenital, I don't think I read any evidence to suggest it is, but it could be some are simple more susceptible to it. Lifestyle seems to have an effect, but presumably Fleischmann is in better shape and healthier than your average guy anyway. There has also been a link drawn to simply sitting too long, usually on a plane or train, so much so that DVT is called "Traveller's Thrombosis". In any rate, its better to catch it before the clots migrate to your lungs, but at least they caught it before it killed him. However if that is what it is, and he is being treated for it, he is likely in OK shape. Mueller however on the other hand has something that is essentially untreatable, and each successive one increases the possibility for more, in a game that pretty much has a high probability of that happening. Anyway based on health issues alone I think I would go Fleischmann as the safer pick. However I like Mueller as I think he has more upside... assuming he plays long enough to ever get to realize it. - Ryan Lenethen Wed, 14 Sep 2011 04:27:09 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3959-peter-mueller-vs-tomas-fleischmann#comment-16410 A nice read. How far would you move Mueller up in the draft though? My league is about 180 players deep. - norrisdivision Wed, 14 Sep 2011 04:25:17 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3959-peter-mueller-vs-tomas-fleischmann#comment-16409 Based on the title and first paragraph of this article I thought this was going to be a back-and-forth affair much like those cage matches seen during the 90s (think Undertaker vs. Kane). Instead though I found the read to be more of a lop-sided UFC fight: think GSP (Mueller) vs. me (Fleischmann) in the octagon. Don't get me wrong - I agree with everything you've said in the article; however, are Mueller and Fleischmann even worth comparing in the "who would you take?" context aside from their recent long-term bouts with health? If both players are at the same level of health I can't think of a single case where a GM would take Flash first. - studley49 Wed, 14 Sep 2011 04:00:41 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3959-peter-mueller-vs-tomas-fleischmann#comment-16408 ...I had to pry myself away from NHL 12 to get it done. Suffice to say it wasn't easy. - steve laidlaw Wed, 14 Sep 2011 03:56:46 +0100