Comments for The Bada$$ Backups at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 8 out of 8 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:57:28 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/3878-the-bada-backups#comment-15743 Don't get me wrong, I liked the article, and thought it well thought out. I just think from a FANTASY pool perspective it is limited. I will admit however I did make the assumption that most the people that go to Dobber's are in Keeper leagues, perhaps I am wrong. Of course 4 of the 6 forums ARE for keepers, and another is for prospects (which I am not sure why you would bother with if you are not in a keeper). I have been in 1 year and Roto leagues as well. I have to tell you if you are dressing a backup goalie at any time in your line up, odds are good you are not winning anything. I have drafted backups in the past, but other than to cover for their starter, or for the vague hope for a trade or take over of starting position, there isn't much point. I have taken some in the past simply to satisfy the number of goalie positions on my IR. The idea that you are going to guess the few games that they actually might play and have them actually in your lineup is pretty far fetched, even using excellent resources like left wing lock. Yes I suppose in some very limited situations, they might be useful. As I said if there is a backup requirement, or you are in a VERY deep league. However I think for most fantasy pool players, drafting a backup goalie to try and get the 20pts they might get in any particular year, assuming you can predict what games they are playing, is limited. Anyway I didn't mean to offend or anything, as a general hockey article I couldn't agree more. As a personal disclaimer I did draft Jason LaBarbera last year and would have drafted Scott Clemmensen if I was able, as I had both Bryz and Vokoun. The purpose was simply a guard against lost games due to injury. - Ryan Lenethen Tue, 09 Aug 2011 04:27:23 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/3878-the-bada-backups#comment-15742 I want to echo your thoughts on Biron. Doesn't play a ton of games in a season, but you'll get great results when you start him. You also have to wonder if King Henrik can manage another injury free season. He's been pretty durable throughout his career, and I just a feeling he's due. Hope I'm wrong. - Jon Tue, 09 Aug 2011 04:09:21 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/3878-the-bada-backups#comment-15738 While i dont have any statistics to prove my sayings, cap leagues, such as Ryan's, probably comes third in popularity behind H2H and one year leagues. Of course, the author cannot please everyone because the text would be filled with ifs and butts. Personnally, this idea directed me and will likely enlighten me on my number 3 goalie. And lets be honest, number 3 goalies should be considered as 'one year material', not to make cap on your team. My only problem with this article was theBudaj mention. Regardlless howMany games price plays (habs success is mostly in his hands), i firmly believe budaj does not have what it takes to second your number one goalie. Hell, he's likely gonna 11 games, have a decent 6-3 win perc, 3.10 around .900. If he couldnt handle the pressure of replacing an injured anderson, imagine him facing Montreal's critiques from fans n media. Other than that,props!!!! - gfunkb7 Mon, 08 Aug 2011 18:01:14 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/3878-the-bada-backups#comment-15733 i think this was a great article. It highlights goalies that you could draft for one year leagues, or even keeper leagues where you wont be keeping one. This list highlights those goalies who are backups who will possibly see the most starts out of all the backups. So if you are struggling for goalie starts and there arent a lot of options out there, here are your 5 best choices to get a back up who will get you the most games. Its little things like this that can make the biggest difference in your pool. It also goes to inform someone who has the starter on their team to temper expectations for their starts. - Bret Taylor Mon, 08 Aug 2011 11:29:52 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/3878-the-bada-backups#comment-15732 Ryan, This is far from useless. If you actually read the article, you would know that this list of select backups are ones that provide you with good, reliable, steady value for [i][b]one-year leagues[/b][/i]. I made it very clear that I specifically left out the Rask's, Bernier's etc ON PURPOSE. You need to make sure you read the article and understand WHY I chose those specific goalies. A bada$$ backup, for this piece, is one that fits the mold of what makes a "perfect backup" and will have quality STEADY fantasy value for one-year leagues. They are reliable. You seem to be going off on "long-term keeper" leagues, which changes everything! These may not be for you, but it is helpful for many other poolies out there =) - Justin Goldman Mon, 08 Aug 2011 11:05:49 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/3878-the-bada-backups#comment-15731 Another great article Justin. Far from useless in so many league set up. I agree with your analysis of the Theo/Clemmensen situation. This is a great opportunity for Clemmenson. - Marc Mon, 08 Aug 2011 10:58:44 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/3878-the-bada-backups#comment-15730 All 4 of those are useless fantasy options unless you own 1a and are worried they might get injured. What I would call BadA$$ Backups would be those backup that are good enough to be 1A's on their own, but are stuck behind a starter, and hasn't had a legitimate chance yet. Even better if there is a chance to be traded in the near future. For example, my long term fantasy league is a bidding one. It also allows for contracts. So if you want a high end goalie, you are going to pay for them. The particular year in question, my team sucked. Bad. So rather than use my IR pick to get some rookie, I opted to take Bryz when he was backup for the ducks. I knew with some degree of certainty that he would be traded that year, and sure enough he was. Eventually I signed him to a long term contact, and I now had a 1A starter costing 5% of my cap rather than 20-25% that would be the normal cost. So while those backups might be good for their teams, and might have a small indirect relationship to skater points stability, there is no way I would draft any of them ever in any hockey pool. I would much rather take a flyer on Rask, or Bernier, or Montoya, etc on the off chance that the team they are on either trades them to become a 1A or in the case of Montoya for example, basically takes over the 1A position because of injury or skill (or lack thereof). Unless your pool has a specific requirement for backup goalies, in which case I suggest you find a new pool... :) - Ryan Lenethen Mon, 08 Aug 2011 09:17:18 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/3878-the-bada-backups#comment-15729 Curious if you have a good feel for which guys on the list would be considered good teammates, i.e. would not be considered a cancer in the locker room. As a backup, I'm sure that being well liked and showing support for your team when you are not playing correlates well to your team playing that much harder when you get starts. Thoughts? - Craig MacDonald Mon, 08 Aug 2011 08:55:10 +0100