Comments for Thomas Vanek vs. Michael Cammalleri at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 10 out of 10 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Tue, 21 May 2013 03:41:24 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3648-thomas-vanek-vs-michael-cammalleri#comment-13700 I traded Vanek straight up for James Neal in my keeper league about a week before Neal got traded to Pitt. I was so psyched when the trade went down but then Vanek went on a nice run the rest of the season and Neal couldn't buy a goal. I am hopeful that neal will have better success playing with either Crosby or malkin in the years to come. Anyone think that was a bad move? - John Sat, 30 Apr 2011 15:36:28 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3648-thomas-vanek-vs-michael-cammalleri#comment-13679 Excellent idea for an article! How about Kaberle Vs. Corvo? - Rino Chiuso Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:04:54 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3648-thomas-vanek-vs-michael-cammalleri#comment-13634 I think the main problem I have here is that your argument is centered around statistics Cammalleri put up with a team he no longer plays for (Los Angeles). A more accurate argument would be made using statistics from the past 2 seasons. Project Cammalleri's past 2 seasons with Montreal over a full 82 game season against Vanek's past 2 in Buffalo and the results are pretty clear: Vanek projected GP-G-A-P from 2008-09-10 82-32-36-68, 25 PPP, 228 SOG Cammalleri projected GP-G-A-P from 2008-09-10 82-28-32-60, 22 PPP, 255 SOG So Vanek has averaged more projected G, A, P and PPP over the past 2 seasons. As you said, Cammalleri being in Montreal has diminished his fantasy value a bit; however I think your argument became flawed when you chose to base comparisons on statistics from 06/07. Still like the articles and concept though, keep it up. - JW Thu, 28 Apr 2011 02:38:29 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3648-thomas-vanek-vs-michael-cammalleri#comment-13623 @Hugo and Nancy - Admittedly this was not my best work. I'm glad you follow my stuff and got what you could from this article. That is much appreciated. Anyways, expect a much more diligent effort next time out. - steve laidlaw Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:01:38 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3648-thomas-vanek-vs-michael-cammalleri#comment-13620 Great article! - Ettlio Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:05:06 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3648-thomas-vanek-vs-michael-cammalleri#comment-13617 This is a great topic. The introduction is very good. It has an excellent hook regarding left wingers. Too much time is spent on a comparison from four seasons ago. Focus on the present. A couple notes (only because you have the potential to be a great hockey writer): *There is nothing wrong with short sentences. *Commas have their place. *Arduous is an excellent word. *Moby Dick is a classic. - Nancy Fiddlepants Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:30:30 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3648-thomas-vanek-vs-michael-cammalleri#comment-13616 correction : if cammalleri played for Buffalo - Nate Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:37:47 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3648-thomas-vanek-vs-michael-cammalleri#comment-13615 Ironically, I think that if Vanek played for Montreal and Cammalleri played for Montreal they would both produce at a higher pace. But I think Camma might outedge Vanek with better linemates. - Nate Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:37:10 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3648-thomas-vanek-vs-michael-cammalleri#comment-13613 I don't know about this one: if Vanek played all of his games like he does half of the season, I'd say Vanek in a heartbeat, but then we wouldn't even have this discussion. In real-life terms, though, today I'm willing to take the gamble on Cammalleri's health over Vanek's tantalizing potential. - If you ignore Cammalleri's first two seasons, where he played under half a season each, he's scored at a 0.826 points/game pace for his career: slightly better than Vanek's 0.823 career points/game. - In their career years, as mentioned, Vanek, the "goal-scorer", was hitting the net 2.89 times/game while Cammy was at a much more impressive 3.69. For their careers, Vanek is 2.80/game while Cammalleri is 3.37/game: a difference of 40-50 SOGs over a season. - Vanek's +47 is definitely an anomaly and not the trend: you take out that year and he's a career -6, which is still better than Cammalleri's numbers. But come on, if you're building your team around who's going to give you a couple more plus points then I guess Vanek may be your guy - even if they're a grand total of 2 points apart since Cammalleri's move to Montreal. - I'd even say Cammalleri, when healthy and playing his normal ways, has more trade value than Vanek. Obviously, Vanek in a hot-streak is going to command far more than Cammalleri would at his best, but there always seems to be someone around that's willing to gamble on Cammalleri playing in Montreal rather than taking a Buffalo player. Not saying that's a great way to evaluate players on, but it's nice to have fluid assets (especially in a keeper). - studley49 Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:17:08 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3648-thomas-vanek-vs-michael-cammalleri#comment-13610 I never miss your articles Steve. I have subscribe to the RSS feed of your blog and I like pretty much everything you right either it's basketball or hockey-related. But I am a little bit disapointed (sp?)(blame the frenchy-in-me) with this one. I think you left allot of meat around the bone. This could have been a really interesting cage match. The analysis has very little depth. You compare number and come to easy conclusion. ''Both Vanek (27) and Cammalleri (28) are old enough that barring a Sedin-like eruption we’ve seen the best they are capable'' I couldn't disagree more with you. Selanne just had a PPG season at 40. With the new NHL skilled player like Cammy and Vanek will thrill for a long time barring any injuries. Looking at both of these players line-mates could have given us a couple of answers why they are performing the way they are. Per example, Vanek took off when Roy got injured showing that he doesn't seem to need support from a legitimate #1 center to produce but what if with the new ownership the Sabres give a truckload of money to Richards, will that impact Vanek? I don't know, I might be off-base here but this is the most disappointing article I have read of you in the last couple of month! - Hugo Twigg Wed, 27 Apr 2011 09:29:35 +0100