Comments for P.K. Subban vs. John Carlson at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 18 out of 18 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Sat, 25 May 2013 09:10:52 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3632-pk-subban-vs-john-carlson#comment-13486 Of course Carlson's points went up at the end....Green's tampon fell out. - derek Fri, 22 Apr 2011 03:08:07 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3632-pk-subban-vs-john-carlson#comment-13485 Good stuff Steve...Subban is a good young player and even though I hate the SOB when he plays the Pens, he is a breath of fresh air to the game of hockey. I love his cockiness and swagger. - derek Fri, 22 Apr 2011 03:06:32 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3632-pk-subban-vs-john-carlson#comment-13482 no love for the rangers rookies eh ? no matter top 5 defensive team with 2 starting rookies tells me all I need to know :) don't overlook the NYR the Hockey News does all the time - paul Thu, 21 Apr 2011 22:50:56 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3632-pk-subban-vs-john-carlson#comment-13477 Have to disagree with this. If you can't win a "best of" as a defenseman while getting traded, can you win it getting benched for five games because the team just can't put up with your defensive lapses anymore? Not the least example being his bad line change tonight as the Bruins scored an overtime winner to score the series going back to Boston. Subban benefits from the same "Montreal phenom" hype that enabled Jose Theodore to win the Hart way back when. A defenseman is not best of anything when he has the third worst +/- on the team. Meanwhile Shattenkirk was the best offensive rookie defenseman in the league, and Carlson the best all-around. Real life? I'll take Carlson in a heartbeat. Fantasy? Probably Shattenkirk, but I think that in a few years we'll be talking about Carlson in an entirely different (and more flattering) offensive light. - Thieving Giraffe Thu, 21 Apr 2011 19:09:20 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3632-pk-subban-vs-john-carlson#comment-13475 I have both of these guys in my dynasty league! - Loren Stachak Thu, 21 Apr 2011 13:47:30 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3632-pk-subban-vs-john-carlson#comment-13474 Points per 20 minutes of ice time: Shattenkirk: 0.602 Fowler: 0.476 Subban: 0.443 Carlson: 0.399 Points per 20 minutes even-strength ice time: Shattenkirk: 0.472 Carlson: 0.416 Subban: 0.312 Fowler: 0.247 Despite being the only one NOT on a playoff team, Shattenkirk had the second highest plus-minus of the bunch, behind only Carlson. Shattenkirk forever! - D M Thu, 21 Apr 2011 12:37:58 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3632-pk-subban-vs-john-carlson#comment-13472 Your argument is flawed. "Much like my vote for anything else, you can’t win a “best of” trophy if you get traded during the season. If you were the best your team had, they wouldn’t trade you, period." Gretzky got traded ... - Chewd Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:07:07 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3632-pk-subban-vs-john-carlson#comment-13468 Im not convinced 1 bit that Carlson is more valuable in real hockey. P.K plays a shutdown role as well, plays more physical, generates offense all by himself, and has the other teams star players going after him. Carlson....well hes boring haha. Thats not an insult to him but thats just his style. P.K in real and fantasy hockey. His potential is as high as any d-man to come along in a looong while. (enough about that random +/- stat, it isnt as telling as it looks) - donions Thu, 21 Apr 2011 09:12:11 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3632-pk-subban-vs-john-carlson#comment-13464 i think to win any nhl award, you have to be special. why dilute the awards by rewarding less impressive rookie campaigns based on position? Only 10 d-men have won the Calder because, well, it's really hard to play well as a rookie d-man. - Repent Tokyo Thu, 21 Apr 2011 07:09:39 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3632-pk-subban-vs-john-carlson#comment-13457 If your league counts PIMs, this isn't even close. Subban wins. If not, I think Carlson blows him out of the water. Subban: 38 points, -8 (third worst on Montreal), benched for poor defense (not a fantasy category, but ice time matters!). Carlson: 37 points, +21 (fourth best in D.C.), played all 82 games. Hmmm..... Personally, I'd prefer Shattenkirk to either -- more points in fewer games on terrible teams, while posting a better +/- than Subban. - D M Thu, 21 Apr 2011 04:43:31 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3632-pk-subban-vs-john-carlson#comment-13447 Wow, Carlson had a strong finish! His points were rather boring up until that last month! Very impressive. These two young guys are both players Fantasy Poolies would be WISE to take a chance on as foundation pieces for their teams heading forward. I feel WAY better about them than a Grabner. - Jocular Hockey Manager Wed, 20 Apr 2011 15:19:18 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3632-pk-subban-vs-john-carlson#comment-13445 the fantasy game is greatly effected by the real game- continued bad/risky plays by Subban gets him on the bench-which will effect his fantasy value. I love Subbans enthousiasm, and despite the holes in his game I think he will surpass Carlson in most measures aslong as Carlson is #2 behind Green. - Larry Wed, 20 Apr 2011 14:20:09 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3632-pk-subban-vs-john-carlson#comment-13444 I'll quote myself, since I'm vain like that. "Since this is a made up trophy anyway, I can gear this cage match towards fantasy value." This is a fantasy hockey website, where fantasy comes first so there would be no point for me to discuss actual NHL value. This is definitely a fantasy hockey article but I felt generating some discussion about the "Orr Trophy" would be an interesting lead in to the subject. - steve laidlaw Wed, 20 Apr 2011 14:02:36 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3632-pk-subban-vs-john-carlson#comment-13443 I had the same issue with this article, but I would venture to say that in real NHL its Carlson by a wide margin being that PK takes sooo many undisciplined penalties and puts his team down a man at inopportune times. In addition, the opportunities on the PP Unit speak to the fact that Carlson has a lot more in his game that he has not shown to this point and could out point or keep up with Subban if/when that evens itself out. If he brings a similar point production, less bad penalties, and a MUCH more sound deensive game, I would venture to say give me half of Carlson before a full Subban. - bogans Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:34:50 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3632-pk-subban-vs-john-carlson#comment-13441 I agree with what pengwin wrote. - David Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:04:45 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3632-pk-subban-vs-john-carlson#comment-13439 What is the intention of this piece? NHL comparsion... or Fantasy comparison? By NHL-value: Carlson... by a margin margin. By Fantasy-value: PK... by a big margin. The opening of this article suggests a rookie NHL award, which would lead to a discussion about real NHL value. The closing statement mentions Subban having a rotisserie edge. There's some good stuff in here - but I feel like the bus left the route and delivered me to the wrong location at the end. - Pengwin7 Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:18:06 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3632-pk-subban-vs-john-carlson#comment-13438 These are my picks for the top rookie this season (a tie). Forwards with 50ish pts is good but not as valuable to a team as big minutes d-men that play in all situations. The most impressive rookie was Hall hands down IMO although he didnt put up the necessary production. AP is not rookie as played too many games over last 2 seasons. It was close though. - DuklaNation Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:00:44 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/laidlaw/3632-pk-subban-vs-john-carlson#comment-13435 Is Pietrangelo still a rookie? He's an interesting mix between these two.... - shortcuttomoncton Wed, 20 Apr 2011 09:46:06 +0100