Comments for Quitters Never Win and Winners Never Quit at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 5 out of 5 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Sat, 25 May 2013 07:08:23 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3408-quitters-never-win-and-winners-never-quit#comment-11416 [b]RE: Edler[/b] I dunno the last couple of games I think it's gone more towards Edler which is why you see the production spike. The 5-6 before that he was mostly just on the ice and the Sedins/Kesler did everything down low on the PP, that's what I'm kinda of afraid of when it reverts back to that. The Sedins are a puck possession line, so it comes down to who gets that third point, and with Burrows/Kesler/Ehroff/Edler fighting for that third point it becomes a real battle as to who gets it. But yeah I'm dealing with one-year league scenarios. These columns don't reflect keeper leagues or anything past the present moment. Also in a move for Vissy what you'd be trading for is the peripherals for the points. You're giving up the extra SOG, PIMs and +/- for the gains in G, A, and PPP. - Ryan Ma Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:26:18 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3408-quitters-never-win-and-winners-never-quit#comment-11415 Coming from someone who watches probably 98% of all Vancouver Canucks games... I would say that the puck flows through Edler and Ehrhoff (combined) as much as it flows through the sedins (combined). If you caught the Dallas game last night... That is the perfect example of what the Canucks PP does. In anything but a 1 year keeper league... I wouldn't even dream of trading my Edler for Vissy or Lidstrom. And even in a 1 year league, I don't think Vis would be much if any upgrade. - Trevor Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:06:50 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3408-quitters-never-win-and-winners-never-quit#comment-11413 [b]RE: Edler[/b] I knew that would get someone's attention hahaha... The thing with Letang is that his value is completely attached to Crosby/Malkin... Since Crosby's injury Letang has a line of 5 points, -1 rating, 6 PIMs, and 20 SOG in 8 contests and if you really take out that big outburst in Montreal it'd be 2 points in 7, not exactly great numbers. If Sid's injury is a longer lingering one, like Matthew Lombardi, David Perron, Letang's value could be done this season... Edler's line 7 points, 0 rating, 4 PIMs, and 27 SOG in 8 contests. So am I crazy in thinking that Edler's value is = to Letang's at the present moment? I certainly don't think so. Remember in judging values, it's not what you've done for me in the past, it's what can you do for me tomorrow. If you're comparing Edler to Vissy. There's definitely a few advantages to owning Edler, you get more SOG and a slightly better plus/minus. I don't think he'll equal Vissy in points, just cause Anaheim there's really only him on the blue line, where as Edler has to compete with Ehrhoff, Hamhuis, Ballard, etc. but he matches up pretty equivalent in pretty much all of the peripheral stats (+/-, PIMs, PPP). Also what you need to take into account is the finishing schedule the Ducks have 15 of their remaining 31 contests away from the Honda Center, where they are 3rd last in terms of average away goals scored at 2.27. So the numbers are due for a decline due to the road woes. The Nucks have 16 of the final 33 away, where they're tops in the league in PP%, so that's a boost for Edler. If anything that's a lateral move that at least gain you 2 more games played due to scheduling... Also toss in the that the final stretch (10 games) Anaheim faces (Dallas(2), Chicago, Nashville, Colorado, LA(2), San Jose(2) and Calgary) Van faces (Phoenix, Detroit, Atlanta, Columbus, Nashville, LA, Edmonton (2), Minnesota, and Calgary) So you'll even get a softer schedule for Van than Anaheim. Lidstrom well he's on a bit of a slide with just 6 points in 10 (1 in the last 5), someone might see that and panic, and if you present your case well with Edler you might be able to pry him away. I'm coming from a perspective as an Edler owner, and you're viewing it from the perspective of a Letang Visnovsky owner so obviously we're going to differ in opinions. What you need understand is that just laughing at a trade offer is pretty ignorant. If you are an active trader you need to "work" on deals and reach a happy medium. No trades are perfectly equal to both sides, and if you constantly "laugh" at deals that don't good at first sight, then you potentially could be missing out on a few season clinchers... ;) - Ryan Ma Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:07:28 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3408-quitters-never-win-and-winners-never-quit#comment-11408 Some nice food for thought, thanks. - UKflames Tue, 25 Jan 2011 08:32:48 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3408-quitters-never-win-and-winners-never-quit#comment-11400 Justifiably ask for Letang, Visnovsky or Lidstrom for ALEX EDLER? Are you crazy? I've got Letang in one league and Visnovsky in another and I can say with 100% certainty I would laugh in the face of the owner who tried to trade me Edler for either one of them straight up. - DonCoburleone Tue, 25 Jan 2011 05:32:30 +0100