Comments for A Look Back to the Pre-Season Guide (2011) at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 7 out of 7 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Mon, 20 May 2013 00:58:48 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3358-a-look-back-to-the-pre-season-guide-2011#comment-10941 Nice article, but a few more points need to brought up on guides; this is not pointed at you...and yes the real measure is the end of the season, but you need to make adjustments if you are going to win your league. Defense - far too many were projected at higher numbers. Looking at projected for the season I see many more misses; of course need to define this...40 points now setting for 30 points is that a miss??? Rankings were fine, but point projects? Young Guns - Again scoring significantly less than projected...I understand the risk on them, but big misses here from Eberle to Hall projected unless something changes. Long, long term keeper league rankings are probably fine, just not the short term help projected. Scoring in general on average - The trend apears to be less than projected in more cases than not. 60 points turns to 50 points projected. Will compare when I see the midseason guide projections. Big guns to no guns..Speeza, Lacavalier, Hemskey, Tavares Some great calls too...St. Louis, Sharp, Datsuyk, Perry Still the best rating/guide system I have found on the web, just need to recognize in using it that a projection is only good when first made and changes quickly thereafter based on reality. Making those adjustments is what wins leagues not relying solely on a guide. Of course you can wait for the projected reality to show up, as you do know the players well,but that means forget this season and maybe the next one and I don't like losing ever. - mike hess Wed, 05 Jan 2011 07:45:04 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3358-a-look-back-to-the-pre-season-guide-2011#comment-10932 [b]RE: Article Totals[/b] Yeah just like fantasy drafts you draft for the entire season, so I go by end of year results... I mean my sleeper picks are picks that are meant for the entire fantasy season... So I'm kinda just giving myself a mid-term report card just to see how things progressing. We won't really know the entire story till the end of the season when we re-evaluate. Also this article is kinda more towards drumming up some interest for the mid-season guide and giving people a free sample of what it is buying a Dobber guide. I'm sure a lot of people out there whiffed on Hudler as well... ;) - Ryan Ma Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:59:55 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3358-a-look-back-to-the-pre-season-guide-2011#comment-10931 [b]RE: Stajan[/b] Once again I think it's relative... To me any player that tallies around a 0.5 point-per-game pace is a fantasy option. I guess what's left for debate is "solid". Also Calgary is a mess. Pretty much everyone in the whole fantasy world knows that Iggy and Jokinen just doesn't mix... and for Sutter/Feaster (whoever is in charge of line combos) to continue to go back to an empty well, just boggles my mind. What really annoys me is Iggy-Tanguay-Stajan, 39 points as a troika (7th in the NHL)... Iggy-Jokinen-Tanguay, 13 points (31st)... Just looking at those numbers tells me what the more "productive" line actually is... I understand you want to put your best players on ice together to generate that "go-to" line, but still the numbers speak loudly. Stajan's value is with Iggy, not Hagman and Kotalik... So instead of having 1 good line and 2 decent lines... you have 3 mediocre lines (not exactly the smartest of moves)... So I mean once someone actually figures it out in CowTown, Stajan could get back to "productive" ways. At 0.53 it still isn't that bad of a pace really... - Ryan Ma Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:55:05 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3358-a-look-back-to-the-pre-season-guide-2011#comment-10930 thanks for the detailed reply, Ryan.. i don't argue that he can perform while Whitney is out and his PPG from now on will be better than it has been so far, but we haven't seen all those results yet, and we're banking on seeing them just to see an improvement over his 31 pt season last year.. i looked at the article as a judging whether or not your preseason forecasts were hit/push/miss up to this point, not whether they will be by year's end.. or is it a forecast on whether the player will be a hit or miss by year's end? changing the subject, personally, i had Hudler as a 60+ pointer this year... cringe... - heater Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:46:52 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3358-a-look-back-to-the-pre-season-guide-2011#comment-10929 You called Matt Stajan a solid fantasy option. He is down to 12 minutes a game with almost no PP. He'll be lucky to get 35 points. Giving yourself a hit was really generous. He is only a solid fantasy option for a last place fantasy team. - Brent Champagne Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:08:00 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3358-a-look-back-to-the-pre-season-guide-2011#comment-10928 [b]RE: Gilbert[/b] The thing is 29 point pace isn't too bad for a defenseman... We're so used to seeing all of the Mike Green's, Dan Boyles, Duncan Keith's, that we're expecting 50+ points in order to classify them as "productive". If you look at it only 52 blue-liners hit the 30 point mark... In a 12 team, 4 d-man league, 30 points is right around borderline own/WW material. Also it depends on how you play fantasy hockey, for me if I'm running WW D, I tend to shift them every hot/cold streak, and you don't just sit on a 30 point D all season long... If you piece together 3-4 30-point D, you end up with a 40-45 point production from 1 D roster slot. Also as Dobber has mentioned before, it's about what can you do for me now, rather than what have you done for me previously... With Whitney in the picture, Gilbert wasn't that number one go to guy in Edmonton. Now that Whitney is out, the job is completely Gilberts... Last season when he garnered that number 1 job, he went on that 20 points in 21 games tear at the end of the season. The year before he went on a 20-point in 35 game tear in the second half. And the year before that he went on a 15-point in 29 game tear too... So I mean if he goes off for 25 in the final 45 games (which IMO is fairly reasonable)... He'd still finish with 38 points, which would be a top-30 D by season's end. He has an outside shot of 30 in 45 which would give him 43 points, but that's putting him in top-30 territory, which I think might be a bit of a stretch for him (if Whitney comes back) - Ryan Ma Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:07:29 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3358-a-look-back-to-the-pre-season-guide-2011#comment-10926 gilbert's 29 point pace has to be a miss.. he needs to produce at a 49 point pace the rest of the way to hit 40 pts on the year.. i'd call it a miss with the upside of a push.. sincerely, gilbert owner :) - heater Tue, 04 Jan 2011 13:57:37 +0100