Comments for I Like...Big...Busts and I Cannot Lie (2010) at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 18 out of 18 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Sun, 19 May 2013 08:00:44 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3300-i-likebigbusts-and-i-cannot-lie-2010#comment-10373 Three of those guys are dmen who played for Canada at the Olympics...coincidence? - Michal Smida Wed, 08 Dec 2010 02:28:23 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3300-i-likebigbusts-and-i-cannot-lie-2010#comment-10372 [b]RE: Kessel[/b] I mean that's reasonable 60 points on a Leafs squad with their current talent is justifiable, but if you think back towards the pre-season there were heaps and heaps of people thinking he was the saviour... What a playmaking center will do for him, is help get the defenders off his back. Right now the Leafs are a 1 line/player team. He faces the opposition's top-checking line day in and day out, which is why when he's off his game, he produces nothing, cause there's no room for him to do anything. I mean what damage is Versteeg going to do to you? Bozak? A playmaking center at least adds another offensive dimension to the Leafs' lineup, so it's not all on Kessel to produce. Kaberle's play helps, but face it you aren't going to put your best checkers on Kaberle... you're going to chuck them on Kessel. Kaberle can't hurt you from 200 feet away from your net, but Kessel on the red-line possibly could. But as I have said before, I see a lot of Nash in him. Decent player to lead a team in scoring, but I dunno if he's the type to really dominate a game like a Crosby/Ovechkin could... - Ryan Ma Tue, 07 Dec 2010 21:54:54 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3300-i-likebigbusts-and-i-cannot-lie-2010#comment-10371 [b]RE: Weber[/b] Yes and no... I mean if you look at the 53 point season that he put up 2 season's ago. Their leading scorer was JP Dumont who tallied 65 points, and they had Arnott at 57 as the 2nd leading scorer and Weber at 53... Then you have Erat (50), Suter (45), Legwand (42), and Ward (35). So I mean it's not any worst than what they currently have... O'Reilly (53), Sullivan (47), Hornqvist (41), Goc (50*), Wilson (34), Erat (47*). In a way you could argue that they have a "more skilled" team than they had 2 season's ago. The thing with Nashville is that they have always overproduced with not a lot of skill. They tend to get it done with very mediocre-skilled players. I still think he's a better than 32-point player. Yes he has crap in front of him, but if he can get 53 playing with lesser crap, I don't see why he can't at least get back to 50+ with better crap. So I expect a bit of a turnaround for the remaining 57 games... - Ryan Ma Tue, 07 Dec 2010 21:46:13 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3300-i-likebigbusts-and-i-cannot-lie-2010#comment-10368 Hi Ryan, I was hoping for about 60 in 75 games from Kessel, given his talent, the puck-movers behind him (I would submit to you that Kaberle is more important to Kessel than a playmaking center, as a scorer off the rush), which is about 0.8 ppg. 0.62 is quite sad... :p I like your comparison to Rick Nash - around 75 cents on the Nash dollar. :) - B. W. Tue, 07 Dec 2010 12:25:40 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3300-i-likebigbusts-and-i-cannot-lie-2010#comment-10367 [b]RE: Hall[/b] I think you hit it right on the head. It depends entirely on what your initial investment on these players are. If you got away with drafting Hall with the final pick of the draft, well that's great value and not really a bust candidate. But if you over-reached and snagged him with a 3rd rounder, a 47-point pace isn't exactly ideal. I know for a fact that there's a ton of people out there that bought into the hype. Even Dobber was flying the 70-point flag. Also you're kinda looking at skewed numbers... The Oilers have won their last four games, and Hall has contributed 4 goals in 4 games to really inflate the numbers, prior to that he had 5 in 22. A week ago he could have been solidly considered a bust candidate, a week later hes a star in the making. As mentioned in the article with young kids you have to expect up and downs he won't continue to operate at a goal-per-game pace, and he won't continue to have 5 in 22, it'll be up and down all season long. So bust status depends entirely on initial investment. - Ryan Ma Tue, 07 Dec 2010 10:39:30 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3300-i-likebigbusts-and-i-cannot-lie-2010#comment-10366 [b]RE: East Players[/b] Yeah I only cover the West players. Russ Miller takes care of the East. - Ryan Ma Tue, 07 Dec 2010 10:30:48 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3300-i-likebigbusts-and-i-cannot-lie-2010#comment-10365 [b]RE: Shattenkirk[/b] I really like him to be honest. I've read about him a few years ago (thanks to Dobberhockey) and didn't really pay too much attention to him because he never could crack the NHL. Now that he's in, he seems legit. I own quite a few Avs in my pools so I keep a pretty close eye on a lot of Avs games. From what I can see I see a lot of a younger Brian Rafalski in Shattenkirk. Has the ability shoot the puck, and the hockey smarts to not force plays, as well as the ability to adapt on the fly. Very savvy hockey player IMO. At the beginning of the off-season I had really high hopes for the Avs. I thought their offense is going to break out much like how the Nucks did last season and so far I'm right on the money. They also have been dealing with a lot of injuries as well. Once Stewart and Mueller come back (if he does) that team looks pretty dangerous. Shattenkirk is a legitimate own and should do well for a 45-50 point season IMO. He's taken over Quincey's role from last season. - Ryan Ma Tue, 07 Dec 2010 10:30:09 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3300-i-likebigbusts-and-i-cannot-lie-2010#comment-10364 RE: Kessel I think a lot of it depends on what you originally valued him at. If you thought he was going to single-handedly be the saviour of the Leafs then yes he's a bust. But if you were realistic of your expectations and went into the drafts with a more objective approach then he probably isn't considered a bust because he's pretty much right on line with his career numbers. BTW he has a career 0.62 point-per-game average, but many were treating him as a point-per-game threat which is were the mistake really was... To be honest I see a little Rick Nash in him. Solid star guy, but I don't think will ever hit Crosby/Ovechkin/Malkin heights... - Ryan Ma Tue, 07 Dec 2010 10:23:47 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3300-i-likebigbusts-and-i-cannot-lie-2010#comment-10362 Weber's poor #'s are directly related to that crap in front of him. Horny to a lesser extent, he needs more room from others. I wonder how long before Trotz is gone. His style works for getting into the playoffs but little else. Its supposed to be about winning the cup. Not mediocrity. - DuklaNation Tue, 07 Dec 2010 09:16:42 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3300-i-likebigbusts-and-i-cannot-lie-2010#comment-10361 @hockeytowner Ack! You're right! Forgot about that. - Travis Ma Tue, 07 Dec 2010 09:04:59 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3300-i-likebigbusts-and-i-cannot-lie-2010#comment-10359 Yeah there's this guy in New Jersey called Ilya Kovalchuk. I hear he's being paid fairly well. Most people in goal-heavy or position-important leagues picked him in the top 10. Now that's a bust! Any chance he can even hit 70 this year? - Eric Daoust Tue, 07 Dec 2010 08:33:05 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3300-i-likebigbusts-and-i-cannot-lie-2010#comment-10358 I don't see how Taylor Hall can be considered a bust. If you drafted him for 80pts then yes he is a bust. Also if you drafted him for 70-80pts you are also foolish. He's on pace for 30 goals yet he qualifies as a bust???? Silly The rest of the list looks good. - Jamie McPherson Tue, 07 Dec 2010 08:30:48 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3300-i-likebigbusts-and-i-cannot-lie-2010#comment-10357 Travis- this is Western Conference only. Russ Miller takes care of the East. - hockeytowner Tue, 07 Dec 2010 07:30:32 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3300-i-likebigbusts-and-i-cannot-lie-2010#comment-10355 LOVE THE TITLE! Oh ya! :D This was a solid list, very enjoyable read. I'm still hanging on to EJ... just... can't... seem... to part... ways. (But I know I should) . I must say though, Setoguchi owners should have seen this guy as Cheechoo v.2 - Pengwin7 Tue, 07 Dec 2010 07:19:43 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3300-i-likebigbusts-and-i-cannot-lie-2010#comment-10354 A few players I expected more of this year: Kovalchuk, Vermette, Zajac, Bozak, Kessel, Pomminville, Booth and Spezza. But I think you may have mentioned these on your previous bust article. - Travis Ma Tue, 07 Dec 2010 07:16:31 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3300-i-likebigbusts-and-i-cannot-lie-2010#comment-10352 can you give your evaluation on defencemen Kevin Shattenkirk of Colorado.Thank you - jean-roch noel Tue, 07 Dec 2010 06:37:10 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3300-i-likebigbusts-and-i-cannot-lie-2010#comment-10351 Excellent article, Ryan! Would you consider adding Phil Kessel to that list? - B. W. Tue, 07 Dec 2010 06:02:45 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3300-i-likebigbusts-and-i-cannot-lie-2010#comment-10349 Great title buddy...I'd add a laughing emoticon but the things are gay as hell and I refuse to use them - MT319 Tue, 07 Dec 2010 05:01:29 +0100