Comments for Fantasy Indicators of Success (2010): Wingers at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 16 out of 16 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Sat, 18 May 2013 19:41:07 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3252-fantasy-indicators-of-success-2010-wingers#comment-9902 [b]RE: Hudler[/b] NHL.com has him listed as a C for some strange reason... so i'll cover him next week. - Ryan Ma Thu, 18 Nov 2010 09:54:24 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3252-fantasy-indicators-of-success-2010-wingers#comment-9869 why no hudler in the article? - sentium Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:04:21 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3252-fantasy-indicators-of-success-2010-wingers#comment-9866 great feedback. thank you. conclusion, couture is a buy-high right now. i've missed the boat. i don't think he's worth pavelski ( who, ironically, i own ), and i'm not going to get him offering kunitz $. i'll wait and see. he is a bit of a band-aid boy. perhaps when he goes down, i'll try then. - gregory churchill Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:34:55 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3252-fantasy-indicators-of-success-2010-wingers#comment-9863 Mr Ma, As usual, fantastic journalism. I really look forward to your article every week. It always seems completely objective and really adds a lot to the site. A couple more comments on Couture. I have had a chance to watch this guy in person and although he definitely seems legit, I would advise that people to proceed with some caution. He has had an injury history similar to Zetterberg in that sometime throughout the season, he is going to get banged up and miss a few here or there. In addition, McLellan loves to juggle his lines to shake things up. Although I have seen how he has energized that 2nd line, he did the exact same thing to the 3rd line to start the season (Mitchell and McGinn were his wingers and they looked AWESOME when paired with Couture) and he sparked a multi point outburst from both Heatley and Marleau when he took over for big Joe on the top line when he was out for the questionable two game suspension. So I would not put it past McLellan to move Couture around to try and light a fire under the rear ends of some of his slumping players. That being said, he has always been better than a point per game at every level of his career. Although I do not see this pace continuing for him throughout this rookie season, I believe that he is definitely worth a flyer in some deeper one year leagues and should be considered as a longer term project in keeper leagues. The overall comparison that I would make is that he is Pavelski with a little better scoring touch. So if you are looking to make an offer (Mr churchill), that would be the basis that I use. What would you be willing to give up for Pavelski? - bball Wed, 17 Nov 2010 04:34:40 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3252-fantasy-indicators-of-success-2010-wingers#comment-9861 [b]RE: Couture[/b] Sorry missed that question... Hmmm the thing is I think it depends on your league mates, with his hot streak some owners might want to sell massively high on him or some might recognize the lack of data to dive head first. To be fair he doesn't have the history to really warrant anything big, so at best I might offer a sell-high guy like Bertuzzi, Torres, MacArthur, or Ladd. If I'm an owner I might continue to squeeze to see what I can get... The problem is depth. The top-line will get all of the points. They aren't going to outpoint JT, Heater or Marleau... I wrote an article earlier in the summer about depth charts and expected point totals. http://www.dobberhockey.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2944:earmarked-for-success-west-2010-part-one&catid=41:ryan-ma&Itemid=77 My guess is that you'll have to throw in Pavelski as the 4th best scorer, then probably Clowe as the 5th... so at best I think I'll label Couture as the possible 6th best scorer on the Sharks. According to the numbers, a player that is 6th ranked averages 35 points, with a max of 53 and a low of 22... So I mean best case scenario I'd work with is the 53 that Knuble tallied with the Caps and work down from there. Sharks are averaging 2.94 goals per game, which is nothing near the 3.82 that the Caps tallied last season, so you probably have to knock off a few more points. Also you have to factor in Setoguchi as well. He's provides some competition to Couture, so probably knock off a few more points. IMO, based on the discussion above, I think he's probably finishes the season with 45 points. Which is probably around David Jones, Jussi Jokinen, Chris Kunitz, or a Michael Ryder type... - Ryan Ma Wed, 17 Nov 2010 01:02:42 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3252-fantasy-indicators-of-success-2010-wingers#comment-9849 i'd love to grab him in my dobber entry league (i think we all would). he's completely energized pavelski. so, how big an offer? he looks like a scoring-only guy...no pms. could be a strong +/- if the goaltending stays decent. i've been waffling all over, trying to come up with an offer that looks strong, but without the over-pay. can you think of a couple equivalent talents? other players you think are about level with where you expect couture to finish the season? fillpula? raymond? thanks. - gregory churchill Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:42:12 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3252-fantasy-indicators-of-success-2010-wingers#comment-9848 [b]RE: John Hillburg[/b] My bad. I was just lazy chucking in the 5 letters. Didn't think it would make that much of a difference... but technically speaking University of Nebraska- Omaha is still under the umbrella of University of Nebraska, so I'm not entirely wrong am I? - Ryan Ma Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:02:43 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3252-fantasy-indicators-of-success-2010-wingers#comment-9847 [b]RE: Greg Churchil[/b] Good pick up on Palmieri, but I think he's mostly going to be a flash in the pan type thing, nothing that's going to dramatically alter your fantasy fate. Once Lupul comes back that top-six,seven becomes pretty solidified... Avs, you mean... hahaha. Yeah I don't mind Porter former College hockey player of the year (forgot the name of the trophy) he has upside, but I think it's more of a third line checker role though... I think they desperately need Mueller back. That line is going to take off once he returns. Benn, fair enough. A lot of depth in Det... points starting to be spread out a lot more. Erat is consistent, but its like Brunette, if consistency is what you're after or you need more... C problem solved once Lombardi returns... Hanzal is a monster, I've been watching him the last few weeks, impresses me quite a bit. I'm not a fan of the Yotes just cause they don't really go after offense, but he's a solid own IMO. Keep Couture the last 3 Sharks games that I've watched, that line has been absolutely buzzing. Could rival the top line to be honest... - Ryan Ma Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:00:51 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3252-fantasy-indicators-of-success-2010-wingers#comment-9846 [b]RE: Ward[/b] Ward just doesn't have the offensive upside. He's got maybe 30-35 point potential, but that's about it. Also he's kinda playing on the 2nd unit with Dumont and Legwand, not exactly the same as the first unit with Hornqvist, Sullivan, O'Reilly, Weber and Suter... THey desperately need Erat back to put some offense back into that 2nd unit. - Ryan Ma Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:54:04 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3252-fantasy-indicators-of-success-2010-wingers#comment-9845 [b]RE: Jackets[/b] The problem with the Jackets like a lot of other teams is there isn't a clear top-six. I think Huse's injury cleared up a the way for Filatov, so that helped, but once he's back we'll go back to square one. A lot of teams out West are trying to spread offense approach (PHX, NSH, STL), which makes the fantasy game much harder to judge/predict. - Ryan Ma Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:50:47 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3252-fantasy-indicators-of-success-2010-wingers#comment-9844 [b]RE: Kane[/b] Jean, don't get me wrong, Kane still has plenty of value for fantasy purposes, but I know for a fact that there are plenty of people out there that spent a second even a first round pick on Kane... When you invest that heavily on a player you kind of want numbers that are above and beyond what anyone else can provide you with. A lot of people were [b]expecting[/b] him to hit better than the 88 last season, and stated a few reasons behind it, such as another year older, playoffs gave him more confidence, no more depth... the thing is with Hossa there to steal points, I just think he's going to be hard pressed to repeat let alone beat the 88 that he recorded last season. The positive is that he does carry that "big name" status, so if you play your cards right at the trading table, you could utilize that in your discussions and blow him up much more than he really is. I just listed a few names off my head that are a little bit more productive and can better your team. Since you have Perry and St. Louis already, there probably isn't too many upgrades you can swing him for. My suggestion might be to go for a 2 for 2 trade, and snag a slight downgrade at the RW position but add a bigger upgrade in another position. Eg.) Kane + Morrow for Chris Stewart + Nash or something like that... - Ryan Ma Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:48:57 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3252-fantasy-indicators-of-success-2010-wingers#comment-9843 It might not bother any Canadian readers or many if any American readers, but it bothers this one: Scott Parse played at the University of Nebraska-Omaha, not the University of Nebraska. That's like saying someone played at Minnesota when he really played at Minnesota-Duluth, or Alabama instead of Alabama-Huntsville, or Cal/UCLA or Texas/UTEP, etc., etc. In each instance, the main campus and branch campus are completely separate athletically. Good information here, as usual, and I can deal (barely) with the bad grammar and punctuation, but wrong athletic program = fact error. - John Hillburg Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:57:09 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3252-fantasy-indicators-of-success-2010-wingers#comment-9842 great read. thanks, ma. lots to chew over. a couple thoughts; ducks, add palmieri to the ana watch list. long-shot, but loads of talent and on the road, ryan often lines up at center, giving some lucky lw a chance to skate with the big boys. rockies, add porter to watch list. porter is getting time with stastney and stewart, and scored a pp goal last night. stars, in a pool that counts hits and blocked shots, i'm hang onto benn. he's getting time with morrow and ribiero, was injured early, and is very talented. i like his odds of improved production. wings. all of a sudden, hudler is teasing. big bert is skating with cleary and modano, huds with fillpula. i think he is a good waiver pick-up and stash. preds, i've waivered on claiming erat each of the last four weeks. finally decided no. hope he comes back strong, but i don't see him getting pp1 time as long as hornqvist is healthy. and the preds have issues at center. coyotes, i'm hanging onto doan. perhaps i'm being nostalgic. i'm grabbing hanzal off waivers, or making a small deal to acquire. sharks, i've got couture on my buy list. but the price is steep. how much do you think he is worth at this time? cheers, spitball - gregory churchill Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:35:03 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3252-fantasy-indicators-of-success-2010-wingers#comment-9841 Interesting how little PP time everyone gets. PPs must be really low this season. How does Ward avg 2min of PP when he has just 4 pts? That tells you why Trotz is not fantasy friendly. - DuklaNation Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:15:00 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3252-fantasy-indicators-of-success-2010-wingers#comment-9835 These are awesome. Love the numbers. Thanks Ma! CBJ seems like one of the toughest teams in the league to get a good read on. Really good job crunching the numbers & trends on the Jackets! - Pengwin7 Tue, 16 Nov 2010 06:43:38 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3252-fantasy-indicators-of-success-2010-wingers#comment-9834 Who can I take to replace Kane I got Perry & St-louis I dont want Heatley.Than you - jean-roch noel Tue, 16 Nov 2010 06:42:31 +0100