Comments for The Comedy of Controversy at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 7 out of 7 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Wed, 22 May 2013 03:01:22 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/3200-the-comedy-of-controversy#comment-9246 One thing I've seen used in the NHL is the first shot save percentage. As many rebound goals are typically unpreventable by the goalie they were showing the goalies that had the highest save % on the first shot. This was a while ago but I believe Hasek was the best with a 98% save on the first shot while playing with Detroit. This is probably attributed both to Hasek's ability as well as Detroit's defense back then in keeping the shots to the outside. - Patrick Tue, 26 Oct 2010 04:27:36 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/3200-the-comedy-of-controversy#comment-9237 I like your last Paragraph the most in the whole artical... "If you just look at their stats, you’re missing the point. Whether it is Pittsburgh, Chicago, New Jersey, Boston or Tampa Bay, rarely is there a true goalie controversy. Wins and losses are a result of a million different elements and stats don’t even reflect one percent of those elements. Dig deeper, look at video replays of goals, understand matchups and dissect a goalie’s confidence and focus." I've been saying for a couple years now, there needs to be a new stat/referance point for goalies, altho not offical, just a rating... I'd call it the "Goalie Preventable Goals Per Game or Percentage" Most goals scored are not a result of the goaltender's play or positioning, alot is circumstances. People need to be able to identify a goal that the Goalie should stop, and a goal that is not his fault. Having a stat/rating line on that would be very effective in identifying a good goalie and a bad goalie. I useto run this Theory alot when discussing and disecting Justin Pogge. The basic is Justin allows on average 1 Preventable Goal Agaisnt Per game, and its about 30% of his goals agaisnt are preventable. If you look at alot of other goalies, many may let in 1 preventable goal every 2-3 games (Nik Backstrom and Hendrik Lundqvist are prime examples, and maybe 10% are preventable. As you discuss Fantasy and other people just look at the standard stats given out. There needs to be a point where a solid judgement is made. There are also flaws in my thought pattern, of course saying a goal is perevntable is up for debate all the time, and there is no way to make it black and white. And who should be the judge of this. Tip-ins/deflections a foot or further outside the crease in my opinion should not be expected saves, but if they are closer like in the blue paint, goalies positioning should prevent those from going in. Breakaways to me, thats an unpreventable goal charged to a goalie, unless the goalie makes a misplay like going for a pokecheck, dropping down early, or cheating to a side, in which case its a preventable goal. Rebounds would be the biggest judgement. Some rebounds can be prevented or better controlled, others can't. So 2nd rebounds 50% may be preventable, on 3rd rebounds the goalie is in emergancy mode and can't be expected to make the save, but you are able to go back to the original stop and decide if the goalie could of eliminated the following shots and subsiquent goals... I know what I'm saying is a bit foggy, but its something to think about. And to me if your picking goalies for non fantasy teams, this needs to be taken into consideration, and the effect it has fantasy wise is that goalies that are good at stopping preventable goals are more likely to play and be sucessful than a goalie that allows bad goals. Just to end the thought, gusy like Martin Brodeur, Dominik Hasek, Grant Fuhr and many others can buck this trend. Marty allows alot of bad goals in a season to the point where 40% are preventable, but he also makes stops that he should not make, and his system he plays for can allow 1 bad goal and 1 good goal and he'll still win. Dominik Hasek allowed may bad goals, around 50% or more, but he was so unorthadox you couldn't get defections or 2nd attempts and other stuff past him. And finally if you talk to many people from the Oiler's Era they will tell you Grant Fuhr was not a good goalie, but he just made the 1 save more than his opponents. He could allow 2-3 preventable goals per game, and still win 70% of games.... Just some food for thought, and Justin, if you were willing, you should do a study on this with your Avs goalies... go over tape of every game, and make a judgement on what goals Anderson allows that you feel he should stop, and Budaj... see if you notice a trend or if I'm way off in this thinking... (not saying Anderson or Budaj are better than each other, just game play style trends) - Jason Banks Mon, 25 Oct 2010 19:31:20 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/3200-the-comedy-of-controversy#comment-9235 Justin, another great read. I asked this question (or a variation of) last week, and this article just re-enforces my need for your expert opinion (or anyone's). I own a series of 1A/1B goalies (Varlamov, Bobrovsky, Crawford, and Niemi) in a keeper league. Lindback is available on the WW. Do I dump Niemi and pick up Lindback. I would also like to dump at least one other goalie. Any suggestions based on play and situation so far this year. Thanks. - alessandro Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:59:56 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/3200-the-comedy-of-controversy#comment-9233 Does it look like Rask will do the same? Doesn't look like he had much to show the Bruins brass in the way of "move over Thomas".... - buhockey13 Mon, 25 Oct 2010 14:28:50 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/3200-the-comedy-of-controversy#comment-9231 Great stuff - This is exactly the kind of info I need as I find goal-tending particularly difficult to figure out! Thanks - Tom Mon, 25 Oct 2010 11:21:16 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/3200-the-comedy-of-controversy#comment-9228 don't scare me with this stuff LOL I need him to be the goalie he is and play 60 + games!! I still think he does Lindback was an injury fill in thats all!!! - JD Mon, 25 Oct 2010 10:54:54 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/3200-the-comedy-of-controversy#comment-9225 Another great read. Thanks GG! - GMGates Mon, 25 Oct 2010 10:02:52 +0100