Comments for Playing the Peripheral Game at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 8 out of 8 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Sat, 25 May 2013 13:47:30 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3140-playing-the-peripheral-game#comment-8630 Thanks again Ryan. I agree with the importance of across the board numbers. Especially in a roto league with those categories plus SHP, someone like Mike Richards is very valuable. We definitely think along the same lines - I am already targeting 7 of them for my roto autodraft (and a couple of your other notables). Hopefully I will get most of them! - horrorfan Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:53:26 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3140-playing-the-peripheral-game#comment-8617 RE: FlyersJoe I listed players who kinda contribute across-the-board in all fronts... With guys like Richards, yes they won't win you the BS category, but 80 in addition to the players that you have will add that much more to your team. Just like the other end of the spectrum, if you're owning guys like Komisarek, Sutten, and Greene you're really neglecting the points category too. They become just as unvaluable as the "soft" players you mention. For me I like guys who can contribute something across the board. I'm not saying getting one of these players will instantly change your team, but what I'm trying to draw your attention to is if you are in a league with HITS and BS, keep these guys in mind and perhaps draft them earlier than usual, because they are going to be multi-cat studs. Having a player that just hits and block shots isn't going to win you a championship, much like having a player that doesn't hit and doesn't block shots. My theory is that you need an across-the-board team in order to get you the wins, in a standard default league you can pretty much just pick the best player available and win easily over your competition. But if you add in more peripheral stuff like PIMs, +/-, HITs, BS, FW, SOG, the dynamics of the league certainly changes, and nabbing the players mentioned in the article gives it that much more umph in your lineup... - Ryan Ma Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:13:42 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3140-playing-the-peripheral-game#comment-8601 Ryan..good article. I only play H2H because anyone can win the league; roto I have not tried yet. Those that just draft for goals and assists or those that go for goalies and Dmen; the key is to go after categories. I use the frozen pool on Dobber to make adjustments during the year based on how I am doing. It is easy to pick up SOG or FW or PIMs during the season to give you wins. I have tried to use the sites that allow you to set up your points system and they deliver a ranking; the problem I have is often I can't understand why drafting Richardson makes sense early..I haven't figuired out the bias yet, but there is one in the formula's which you don't get to see. Few of them allow you all the categories or point variations commissioners seem to be coming up with lately. - mike hess Wed, 29 Sep 2010 05:49:56 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3140-playing-the-peripheral-game#comment-8598 I've been in a dynasty league for several years where BS and Hits are cats..along with FOW and many others. Some of your players listed are good multicat players, but generally, you can't do well in these cats unless you have a stud or two. Mike Richards, for instance, won't really factor in the BS cat. For Hits and BS, target Defensemen. Mike Komiserak, if healthy, is an absolute stud for a combo of Hits, BS, and PIMs. Andy Sutton is good for all three of these cats, along with the, now injured, Matt Greene with the Kings. Volchenkov is a Hit/BS stud as well, but D-Men with a trifecta of BS/PIM/Hits are not very common. If you are in a Dynasty league, you may want to target prospects such as Tyler Myers, Taylor Doherty, or Colton Teubert. I've still have the Hit-machine Clutterbuck on my Prospect Farm; as soon as he starts producing stats other than hits...he will be called up to my active roster. Trying to compete in the mentioned categories with the list above will be difficult...don't get me wrong, they are nice to have, but you will need help. Soft players with no periphs such as FOW, PIMs, BS, Hits, better at least be giving you ample PPP and plus/minus, otherwise leave them to your peers. - FlyersJoe Wed, 29 Sep 2010 02:26:13 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3140-playing-the-peripheral-game#comment-8597 I think you misunderstood what I said. When I said across the board, I meant your entire team doesn't have to be across the board because then you will likely not have any particular category in your grasp. It is important to draft players that can help you secure control of the categories that are controllable. What I said about drafting scorers otherwise, I meant when you have those categories secured (I probably should have said that), there is no need to start drafting guys who may have done well in the past on the random categories that don't carry any consistency on a weekly basis. Again everything is relative to league category settings when it comes to drafting. - Ice Wings Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:14:47 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3140-playing-the-peripheral-game#comment-8596 Right on the mark, Ryan. The key to H2H is consistency. You can also compete with a team of bums....if you target the right categories. The good thing about playing H2H is most managers still focus on points...and GOALS. Big mistake. Many managers also do not look at the negative effect of player cats. Take Brad Richards. Helps in 3, hurts in 4 in your scenario below. How do I value Brad Richards...well I'd draft Robidas ahead of him...and I'd be called crazy!!! Secondary cats and goal tending can go a long way in H2H. :D - Rad64 Tue, 28 Sep 2010 16:40:28 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3140-playing-the-peripheral-game#comment-8594 RE: Strategy See I'm completely opposite to your school of thought... I think for roto you can get away with not having across-the-board players. Cause really you can get all the "softies" then just pick up a goon (like Konopka) for the PIMs. Since it's overall end of year numbers, it doesn't matter where the stats come from... In H2H, you need that consistency to produce stats week in week out, so you can secure those stats every week, and don't give random points to your opponents. I agree with you that it's not necessary to win every category every week, but the more categories you win the better position you'll be to win the league. SOG/HITS/BS I think are more controllable than you think... +/- and SHP is probably not. As I mentioned in the article, I think there's a couple of ways to approach it, you can take your path, where you just say F--- it, I'm going to pick the "best player" available. or 2) you need to plan ahead and pick the best across-the-board at every round, and secure those stats. But if you have stats of say like: G A +/- PIM SOG HITS BS You could have a very soft team and consistently give up PIM, HITS and BS and score 25 G, 25 A every week, but a team that scores say 15 G, 15A, but tears up the PIM, HITs and BS department will be much better off by the end of the season... - Ryan Ma Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:35:17 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3140-playing-the-peripheral-game#comment-8592 One thing I realized from playing in so many head to head leagues is how different they are from roto, which a lot of people seem to use as their draft model. It is not necessary to be good across the board on every category in H2H. It is more important to secure particular categories that you can be consistent on like +/-,PIM,FW and assume you will win some and lose some on other unpredictable categories like SHP/SOG/Hits/Blocks. I guarantee some guys are going to win a ton of face-offs every week and others will get into fights at least every other week and those are guys are going to be the ones you can rely on putting in week by week. Otherwise I say just draft the best scorers available and not worry about who might be good on some random category because chances are one player will not win you a random offensive category on a weekly basis. - Ice Wings Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:07:39 +0100