Comments for Why I Traded Steven Stamkos at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 11 out of 11 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Wed, 22 May 2013 19:08:22 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/jeff-angus/3115-why-i-traded-steven-stamkos#comment-8417 A few things: 1) Best days are behind them.. says who? The notion that players older than 30 (35 for goalies) are done is one of the biggest mistakes many poolies make. Again, I want to win now. 2) Stamkos loses value in this league format. Faceoff wins, hits, PIM, are all categories he doesn't excel in. I have some good players to fill the G and A and PPP categories. Relative strengths decreased to improve relative weaknesses. Stamkos' value would be immensely higher in points-only league. 3) Believe me, I tried to improve without moving Stamkos. It's not like I actively sought out a way to rid myself of a 21-year-old sniper. I believe I filled my weaknesses and didn't decrease my strengths all that much. Will be interesting to see how this deal plays out. This deal is a great example as to why it is hard for me to evaluate trades I get sent without perspective - scoring categories really change player values immensely. - Jeff Angus Sun, 19 Sep 2010 14:08:05 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/jeff-angus/3115-why-i-traded-steven-stamkos#comment-8414 The return for Stamkos is not that bad - if this was 5 years ago. Brodeur and Chara's best days are well behind him and you give up a one of a handful of players who could produce 40+ to 50+ goals, and 90+ to 100+ pts?! I'm willing to admit I was wrong if you end up winning your league championship this season. Otherwise, not going to sugar coat it for ya my friend...huge mistake. I would have looked for an option to improve your goaltending and categories all around elsewhere before i'd ever consider selling of Crosby or Stamkos. - Randall Sun, 19 Sep 2010 13:44:54 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/jeff-angus/3115-why-i-traded-steven-stamkos#comment-8411 I like the trade Jeff. Sometimes you have to sacrifice a great player for the greater good of your team. I did a similar trade 2 years ago sening Vincent Lecavalier (soon after his 92 point season) for Marty Turco and a 3rd round pick. Most people would say, "What!?!? You got ripped off", but what they don't realize is that in our salary cap H2H league, goalie stats count for 50% of the total. When I took over the team in Jan of 2008 all I had for goaltending was Marty Brodeur and Mikael Tellqvist. I picked up as many back ups off of waivers as I could (Anderson, Elliot, Hedberg, Boucher)and stored them on my farm team, but the spot starts just weren't cutting it. I had to do drastic action in the 08/09 season and thus came the trade. I was only able to pull it off because Turco was sucking it at the beginning of the season, but between Brodeur, Elliot and Turco I got into the playoffs (last spot) and lost to the eventual champ in the semis. In the 09/10, between Brodeur, Anderson, Elliot and Turco, I pretty well cleaned the goalie stats every week and won the league, and I have a good chance of doing it again this year (thank God Turco's in Chi-town). - Karbinkopy Sun, 19 Sep 2010 11:35:39 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/jeff-angus/3115-why-i-traded-steven-stamkos#comment-8410 Love the trade for you Angus. NJ should (for this year at least), be a very, very good team. Brodeur is still 100% on top of his game. Chara is fantasy multi-cat gold. I've blogged about him a few times but (in my opinion) he had a better year last year than his Norris year. And, he only shot 3% last year... which is just unlucky. Odds are his normal amount of pucks will hit the back of the net this year and he should touch 50pts. - Pengwin7 Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:24:59 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/jeff-angus/3115-why-i-traded-steven-stamkos#comment-8409 I'm probably the dissenting opinion here, but I think you gave up a little too much in obtaining Brodeur. If the short term is the only goal, then this trade obviously helps in your aspirations to win it all this year; you basically do the best you can, add a little luck to the mix and hopefully carry it through to the championship. Your window of opportunity is this year and perhaps next as Brodeur probably doesn't have too much to offer beyond that time frame. If I'm making the trade, I'd want a younger stud goalie than Brodeur; however, its likely your hands were somewhat tied here. Longer term, your goalie situation is somewhat weak as after Luongo, you only really have an unproven Schneider... I am sure something will give and we find either Schneider or Luongo on a different team. Goalies are probably at a premium here, so your options going forward are somewhat limited, but I'm sure that was already taken into account. I wish you all the best in your quest to win the championship this year Jeff. This is a bold move and a well thought out plan. The only way to give you this shot to win is to make these calculated risks. It really brings home the old adage: no guts, no glory. You've already taken that big first step... hopefully, you can provide updates throughout the season on how you are doing in this league. I know I'd be quite interested seeing how this trade works out for you. This article was a very interesting read. It was also quite refreshing to re-read the detailed analysis that HPG had on your team as well. Thanks. - Woodrow Sun, 19 Sep 2010 07:34:34 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/jeff-angus/3115-why-i-traded-steven-stamkos#comment-8408 Angus I really appreciate you taking the time to really explain your thought process in unloading Stamkos. I gotta be honest with you, when I read about the move last night, I was shocked to say the least. Why in the world would you be giving up so much for a couple of guys that are over the hill? But the combination of the HPG article and your explaination really hits home and had me asking myself why in the world you would NOT have made that deal. With so many statistics based on the number of games played (GP,W,L,Sv), it seems almost unbalanced in that the person that has more stud goalies to play every single day is going to win 3 of the catagories and lose one of them. It seems to me that this artificially inflates the value of goalies. And the FW, hits really changes the entire scope of the forwards. Simply brilliant. Thank you for the lesson - bball Sun, 19 Sep 2010 07:11:31 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/jeff-angus/3115-why-i-traded-steven-stamkos#comment-8407 Thanks, guys. Shoe - the condition is w/ regards to GP by Lehtonen. Over 40, and I get a 3rd round prospect pick in 2011. - Jeff Angus Sun, 19 Sep 2010 06:43:25 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/jeff-angus/3115-why-i-traded-steven-stamkos#comment-8406 looks like a good trade to me - Sahil Sun, 19 Sep 2010 05:31:13 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/jeff-angus/3115-why-i-traded-steven-stamkos#comment-8405 Jeff last February trying to lock up our pool I made the same determination. I could actually move Stamkos and lock up my pool. To me that's the only reason for moving him. Mine worked well as I'm now defending champ. I hope yours works out the same. - Todd Whittington Sun, 19 Sep 2010 02:09:40 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/jeff-angus/3115-why-i-traded-steven-stamkos#comment-8404 Jeff - this is just a great piece of journalism. Hats off to you. As far as the trade goes, you got lots of quality back. Curious as to the conditions of the pick. What I do like about this article is how it demonstrates that there is much,much more to the story of winning multicat leagues than just having a high point getter. - Shoeless Sat, 18 Sep 2010 23:36:42 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/jeff-angus/3115-why-i-traded-steven-stamkos#comment-8403 I'm a huge Stamkos fan but in fantasy hockey his value depends largely on the league format. He's best in leagues that are either points-only, goal-heavy and/or position-irrelevant. This league has a ton of categories and the more categories you have, the less G/A end up being worth on their own. In this league he just doesn't contribute across the board. I think it's a nice example of a player's value being higher than his production. - Eric Daoust Sat, 18 Sep 2010 21:10:18 +0100