Comments for Enlightened You Shall Be (2010) at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 20 out of 20 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Mon, 20 May 2013 13:44:33 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3092-enlightened-you-shall-be-2010#comment-8240 Hey Dob, I would like your thoughts if possible? We have a very deep Hockey Pool with ten teams. Maximum of 43 spots(10Cen, 10LW, 10RW, 10Def)on our regular rosters including three goaltender teams each. Our Minor System is 14 spots deep, and I have five open spots to fill it up. Our 2010 rookie draft is this weekend already. I am in great shape, with picks #1, 4, 7, 14, 19 out of 40 in total. Our rookies are any players who have played less then 10 NHL games (playoffs included). All the obvious guys have been picked in previos years, with a few good ones remaining from the last couple of draft years. I also agree with the LWing position being the weekest. However I do have a few good Left Wingers in my rookie crop (J.Benn, R.Stoa, M.Tedenby, B.Wheeler), and my number 1 pick will be T.Hall. Here is where I would like your thoughts. I'm pretty sure I'll get a good d-man (Ekman Larsson, Shattenkirk, Fowler, Blum)with my number 14 or 19 pick. If the draft goes the way it should (and we all know that never happens), I will get either Niederreiter, Connolly, Nyquist, Skinner, Kuznetsov, or Tarasenko for my RW, but do I take Centre M.Granlund or C.Kreider with my number 4 pick, knowing that a couple of the above right wingers will still be there for my number 7 pick? Also, I'm hoping that T.Tatar will still be around for my other 2nd rd pick? Can you give me your thoughts? Thanks, Paul (Dark Cats) - Paul Milberry Thu, 09 Sep 2010 16:51:10 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3092-enlightened-you-shall-be-2010#comment-8203 Hey Ryan, I have a list of players here that are undervalued by yahoo for inclusion next week: SleepersYahoo RankDobber Rank Semin338 Staal189 Getzlaf3012 Lecavalier3515 Kane2314 Perry4322 Hemsky10125 Brad Richards5819 Kesler5129 Paul Stastny5333 Jordan Eberle15334 Loui Eriksson7536 Antropov10738 D. Roy8539 Mikko Koivu10641 Taylor Hall13042 David Krejci15450 Zherdev12547 Tyler Ennis17748 Andy McDonald27451 Connolly12257 Olli Jokinen12399 Gionta18584 Paul Martin205150 Patrick Sharp21262 Brad Boyes229103 Havlat23463 Seguin23671 Jussi Jokinen18953 - Marcus Lepkowski Wed, 08 Sep 2010 03:08:36 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3092-enlightened-you-shall-be-2010#comment-8192 Thanks for the followup, I come here for the bias it makes my thought process better and lets me challenge others...great insight and a good discussion too.... looking forward to more of the Yahoo draft sleepers... - mike hess Tue, 07 Sep 2010 14:08:18 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3092-enlightened-you-shall-be-2010#comment-8188 Great article for this time of year Ryan! I haven't done a yahoo draft yet but some really good insight. In my keeper leauge I actually found RW's really hard to come by while there were some quality LW's availabe in our waiver draft. Weird. - Mike Tue, 07 Sep 2010 12:31:50 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3092-enlightened-you-shall-be-2010#comment-8186 RE: Rookies The thing is I think Crosby/Ovechkin/Malkin were honestly generational talent... I don't see the new breed of rookies being able to just enter the NHL and pot 100 points right off the bat. 2005, I think was honestly a perfect storm... -year after the lockout and new CBA -players more rested due to taking a year off... -the "new" NHL was cracking down on all the obstruction/hooking penalities -PIMS/game has taken a nosedive since 2005. (32.1, 28.1, 27.9, 27.8, 25.6 (last year)) -Goals per game has also taken a nosedive since 2005. (6.05, 5.76, 5.44, 5.76, 5.53) -I don't think it'll go back towards the 6 mark for awhile... So I mean it was an ideal situation for Oveckin/Malkin to just walk right in and put up the points that they did due to situation... As for the rest, it's exactly what I wrote in the post, a lot of them had "decent" rookie years, but a lot of the seasoned vets would have had just as "decent" of a year as the rookies. Look at Kopitar 61 points as a rookie C, if you went with a veteran in Derek Roy, you would have been "better off" since he picked up 63 points, or even Legwand... Stamkos 46 points, not exactly mind blowing numbers... especially those that bought into the rookie "Crosby/Ovechkin/Malkin" hype... and expected bigger things. I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm not saying don't draft rookies, but you need to be aware that there is a lot of hype around rookies and people expect much bigger things from them than reality. Sometimes seasoned vets will put up better numbers than a rookie will and you need to be aware of that... - Ryan Ma Tue, 07 Sep 2010 12:04:54 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3092-enlightened-you-shall-be-2010#comment-8185 RE: Enstrom Relatively unknown meaning not a lot of people draft him knowing his upside... A lot of Yahoo! players basically draft him cause they see his name right there in front of him on the draft list and say hey I remember his name from last season. If you look at all this stats, when he's been given the opportunities (and not buried), he's produced pretty decent numbers... if you count the PPP and SOG, he actually hasn't been that bad statistically and probably should be drafted a few rounds higher than now... I guess we could use the Howard/Rask example as well, I'm pretty sure that they're 100% owned because of where they are ranked in the Yahoo! draft list, but are many people out there aware of the dreaded sophomore slump for goalies? Are they all aware of Osgood/Thomas who are backing them up and could steal the gig... Yes they are all "well known" to the general public, but it's the behind the scenes stuff that make them unknown... or at least that's the way I'd interpret it. - Ryan Ma Tue, 07 Sep 2010 11:49:15 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3092-enlightened-you-shall-be-2010#comment-8184 RE: Personal Bias That's whats great about this site, is that you get plenty of opinions. We're not a TSN or Rotoworld/Rotowire where we report on just news, we get an opportunity to voice our opinions even if they are bias... And to read someone's bias isn't necessarily a bad thing, you kinda get a different picture from your perspective to say hey never really thought about that before... It'd be plenty boring if we just all rowed in the same direction. - Ryan Ma Tue, 07 Sep 2010 11:42:15 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3092-enlightened-you-shall-be-2010#comment-8183 RE: Positive Comments Thanks for the positive comments guys, really appreciate it! As for the 2nd part, you pretty much read my mind, I was gonna list off some steals like the Hudlers, Sharps, that are going late in the drafts. Stay tuned next week. - Ryan Ma Tue, 07 Sep 2010 11:39:39 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3092-enlightened-you-shall-be-2010#comment-8181 You don't exactly paint the full picture in your discussion of rookies here though... 1) you curiously only count back through 2006. what happened in 2005? oh that's right, alex ovechkin had 52 goals and 106 points as a rookie... oh wait.. crosby also had 102 points that year as a rookie. 2) Since 2005... numerous other players (not mentioned above) have shined as rookies (kopitar, stastny, rask, backstrom, toews, stamkos, gagner, tavares, myers). If Taylor Hall is drafted where his average draft rank has him (105th overall), then I'd say that's a pretty good deal... he'd likely get you 50 points this year, but he has the upside of getting you 65 or more as well. Try finding a left wing that can give you that in the end of the 8th round of a twelve team fantasy draft. Sure like every rookie, there's a risk/reward involved... but in my experience, nothing hurts more than taking the safe bet for 55-60 points instead of the rookie that ends up with 70+. You can find 45-50 point guys on waivers all year long... so is the difference of 10 points really worth playing it that safe? I personally don't think so. - lanky522 Tue, 07 Sep 2010 09:25:14 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3092-enlightened-you-shall-be-2010#comment-8180 It's true LW is shallow but Yahoo has questionable rankings. James Neal and Patrick Sharp both #200 and higher. A shrewd drafter can find value with these two rankings. - chris hayward Tue, 07 Sep 2010 09:20:35 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3092-enlightened-you-shall-be-2010#comment-8179 owned in 92% of yahoo leagues - Ian Tue, 07 Sep 2010 08:58:54 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3092-enlightened-you-shall-be-2010#comment-8178 I too participate in a mock draft almost every day to see peoples draft strategies. I have never not taken a LW in the first round unless I had the chance to grab Crosby and even once I passed on him for Malkin. My tough choice is always between Parise and Sedin with 70% of the time taking Sedin. I like to grab Perry in the top 4 rounds and then wait until 10-12 to grab Pavelski and then last round Hudler. Perry is a multi-cat stud and surprised he drops late. For defencemen grabbing a good Tier one is important for me(Gonchar,Chara,or Boyle) and then wait until late rounds to grab Subban,Martin and Mcbain. Seems to always pan out. Goalies depends the situation, but I've found that many times I can land Rask mid rounds, follow up with Rinne and then steal Turco or Niemi. If this happens on actual draft day id have easily the best goalie tandem. Centers are a plenty but passing on Getzlaf in round 3-4 is tough since hes an all around beast and if healthy last year would easily be a top 10 pick for me. Sharp,Marleau,Nash are nice guys to own who have a great all around game and already have dual eligility. - Claudio Tue, 07 Sep 2010 07:39:23 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3092-enlightened-you-shall-be-2010#comment-8177 Here are some other notes from early mocks: 1) LW is an absolute must-draft and the LWs going below value are Heatley (LW/RW!), Cammaleri, Sharp (LW/C and a great off-day fit), Elias and Wolski. 2) Goalie seems to have less safe studs this year than usual, Ryan's note of Bryz is right-on and the other two guys I like for safety are Lundq and Kipper (yes I like Kipper) 3) D studs are always hard to find so you have to reach for them, and with RW so deep I'm finding if you completely ignore your #2-4 dmen and #2-3 RW until the very last rounds of the draft you can really build a strong team 4) almost every mock has a second run on goalies right around Round 5 and you want to be in on that run (in my opinion) so target Rinne, Halak and sometimes Rask falls to that second run - Adam Tue, 07 Sep 2010 07:10:37 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3092-enlightened-you-shall-be-2010#comment-8176 I can't wait to use it on Sept. 30, the day of my draft. - buffalosoldier66 Tue, 07 Sep 2010 05:26:59 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3092-enlightened-you-shall-be-2010#comment-8175 Ryan fantastic insight...and I agree with many of your points. LW is always first in my book, goalie or Dman next...The injury reads are right on...the statistical analysis of why Raymond may not be good great..BUT...your personal bias comes through...I dont' like scoring by committee either, but I am drafting individual players who will meet their projections in most cases; they get penalized in the projection for committee scoring. I am careful with rookies, but I dont' totally avoid them..they ae my last pick or two. - mike hess Tue, 07 Sep 2010 05:23:41 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3092-enlightened-you-shall-be-2010#comment-8174 Thanks Ryan! I too would like to see follow ups like Pengwin noted, this would make for a great series. "*Players that are buried by their Yahoo! rank (i.e. Hudler at 625!) *Adding value by anticipating eligibility (Malkin as future W?, Eberle as future W?, Hudler as future LW/RW?)" - GMGates Tue, 07 Sep 2010 05:14:59 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3092-enlightened-you-shall-be-2010#comment-8173 With so many leagues doing their drafts on Yahoo - this is a very helpful read. I've probably done 15 mock drafts in a 14-team pool so far, to simulate my league. I would add the following: *In drafts where it seemed there were several knowledgeable people (and no computers), the goalie talent was gone as early as [b]end of round 5[/b] and typically by end of round 6!!! I can't wait for the Yahoo! follow-up. Hope you can address the following: *Players that are buried by their Yahoo! rank (i.e. Hudler at 625!) *Adding value by anticipating eligibility (Malkin as future W?, Eberle as future W?, Hudler as future LW/RW?) - Pengwin7 Tue, 07 Sep 2010 04:56:53 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3092-enlightened-you-shall-be-2010#comment-8172 Ma, this was a great article to read for one-year pools. I especially have to agree with the strategy of picking proven vets over the unknown and often hyped up youngsters. Good Read Dean Youngblood - Rossi Tue, 07 Sep 2010 04:40:02 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3092-enlightened-you-shall-be-2010#comment-8171 Really enjoyed reading this article and I agree with a lot of the analysis. Thanks! - Corey Lougheed Tue, 07 Sep 2010 04:38:37 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/3092-enlightened-you-shall-be-2010#comment-8170 Thanks, Ryan. Really appreciate the time and effort you put into this!! - loco man Tue, 07 Sep 2010 03:58:30 +0100