Comments for Top-10 Goalies for One-Year League at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 17 out of 17 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Mon, 20 May 2013 17:26:49 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/2998-top-10-goalies-for-one-year-league#comment-7320 Unfortunately, many managers overvalue Wins. Common problem when selecting goalies when using multiple categories. Big reason why Fleury is drafted way too high each year. He plain sucks in all cats except wins. Another reason why guys like Vokoun are drafted too low. Here is a tender that can win 3 of 4 cats against a guy like Fleury. I don't believe Niemi or Nitty belong on this list...they are in a good position and would make great #2 tenders, but at this point in time they don't belong in the top 15. Both could lose starts to backups. Loungo has also not posted the stellar stats serving of a #1 or #2 selection. Big fat contract has not paid off. He posted quite a few duds last season and still hasn't proven he can win the big games. - Rad64 Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:40:13 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/2998-top-10-goalies-for-one-year-league#comment-7301 Great Article. I can't say I agree with everything, but if we all agreed it'd be hell-of-a boring. After seeing Rask @ #1 I knew there'd be heat in the comments. My issue is more that it'd be poor draft strategy to take Rask as the first goalie in the draft, than it is a disagreement with you rating him as the best fantasy goalie. I wouldn't give Rask consideration as being the first drafted goalie in a keeper league, let alone a one year. The chance of Rask having a poor season is greater than any other goalie in this top 10. Reasons for an off-season have been beaten already. Maybe the chance of having a great season is higher, but the top 5 goalies picked should be sure thing picks. More of a surprise to me was Luongo way down at #8. Is my view of him as a top teir elite goalie way off? It wasn't too long ago he was a consensus top 5 pick (after big 3). Has he fallen this far down that he shouldn't even be picked in the top 2 rounds (10 team draft)?? I'd really love to hear more about Lu. I was pursuing a trade for him, but he'd probably be the most expensive goalie in my league to acquire, so I'd love to be convinced to take a cheaper option. I'm in a H2H Wins/GAA/SV% league. - duducks Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:58:34 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/2998-top-10-goalies-for-one-year-league#comment-7295 I'm willing to accept Rask as number one, on all the factors you raised, Justin, but for one concern: the sophomore slump. Now, I don't believe the sophomore slump, for any player, is some kind of jinx or mystery. I think it's something explainable, and a combination of two factors. One is that as a rookie, you fly under the radar. Teams don't prepare specifically for you. Opposing players take you for granted a little bit. But if you've had a strong rookie showing, next season opposing teams' scouts and coaches will work on how to solve you, and opposing players will be on their toes and at their sharpest playing against you. The other is that oftentimes, without the burden of the highest expectations and the shorter leash that comes with them, rookies can just approach their games with a 'lets just enjoy the ride' attitude, which serves as a very strong psychological shield against pressures and obstacles. In your sophomore year you usually have much higher expectations (so the probability of facing adversity is heightened), and can't use that shield to protect yourself against their weight anymore (you have to face adversity eye to eye). So my question is, what about Rask's game/mentality/situation should make us expect he can overcome both factors, or that these are non-factors in his case? - fzusher Tue, 27 Jul 2010 03:31:58 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/2998-top-10-goalies-for-one-year-league#comment-7294 Most fantasy drafts happen just before the season starts so by putting "the sharks " goalie only is to say that you have time to see who will be the guy as. Their is still some movement possible so if I were in a draft I would look at what team the guy plays for more so than the guy because the most important stat with goalies are always wins and the sharks caps and hawks are going to win their games. - Oilers rock 99 Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:26:29 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/2998-top-10-goalies-for-one-year-league#comment-7292 Is the stat SAVES included in the "common statistical categories" of a goalie in a H2H league? Considering it is, my top 10 is: 1) Luongo (the safest bet) 2) Lundqvist (improved team, similar stats) 3) Miller (under Lundqvist because of change in defense) 4) Bryzgalov 5) Fleury (improved defense) 6) Brodeur 7) Kiprusoff 8-13) Anderson, Howard, Halak, Rinne, Rask, Price If saves count, Rask is #12 because a 15-20% chance of playing only 50 games sucks! And, Oilersrock99, I wait a little bit in the draft to pick a goalie that might play only 30-40 games, even if he starts the season in the net for one of the three best teams. - Vincent Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:47:40 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/2998-top-10-goalies-for-one-year-league#comment-7290 @Oilers rock 99 If he put "Sharks goalie", "Philly goalie" and "Caps goalie" on his ranking, then it would look very amateur, like yours. - Big Ev Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:28:56 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/2998-top-10-goalies-for-one-year-league#comment-7289 You are not understanding the concept. Your list looks like the "Best 10 Goaltending Situations" Sharks goalie... is not a specific goalie. This is a list of the top 10 GOALIES. Not top 10 teams. - angus Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:28:06 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/2998-top-10-goalies-for-one-year-league#comment-7288 a popular saying from a great baseball movie... just wondering if Washington has folded?? cause one would have to think that if Jose can have a record of 33 - 7 the starter there this year will probally do even better. second the wings will be healthy and lidstrom will have a bounce back season so howard must be top 10 And correct me if I'm wrong last years 3 top teams you have ZERO goalies??? sharks, Hawks, caps, ??? Just wondering Justin when was the last time you won a hockey pool MY list.... 1. Miller 2. Brodeur 3. Caps goalie (Varly) 4. Nemmi 5. Fleury (have we forgot him?? or did sid go to the KHL) 6. Luongo 7. sharks Goalie 8. Howard 9. Philly goalie (possible the best defence in the NHL) 10.Ilya Bryzgalov ( really you could put about 3 guys here) sorry justin you are way out on this one and - Oilers rock 99 Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:12:27 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/2998-top-10-goalies-for-one-year-league#comment-7287 My list: 1. Luongo - entering prime, on team poised to win a lot over next 3-4 years. 2. Lundqvist - needs goal support 3. Miller - elite 4. Vokoun - once he is on a better team (when not if), you will see why. Golden second half goalie. 5. Kiprusoff 6. Brodeur 7. Rask 8. Halak 9. Rinne - angus Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:14:35 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/2998-top-10-goalies-for-one-year-league#comment-7284 Love the article Goldie, but I have to agree about Rask. While Tim Thomas is on the team I take Miller over him all day. I also would move Ward into the top ten and move Luongo up (and I'm a Flames fan). As for Rinne, I own him in my pool and would love for him to play 82 games. But Trots has never done anything to lead me believe that he plays more than 50-55 games this year. Lets not forget that Rinne and Ellis went game for game until Ellis laid a 7 goal egg. My top ten would look like this: Miller, Luongo, Brodeur, Lundquist, Rask, Bryzgalov, Ward, Kipper, Vokoun, and Fleury. - Brendan Connolly Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:52:03 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/2998-top-10-goalies-for-one-year-league#comment-7283 Any chance Backstrom rebounds from last years sub-par season? - Rad64 Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:21:02 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/2998-top-10-goalies-for-one-year-league#comment-7282 Thanks for the stats on Price. I kept wondering why some still think he is a number 1 goalie...you explained it with the stat. Thanks for the effort of giving us a tier one on goalies. So how would you compare Price, S.Mason, Nittymaki, Elliot, Hiller, Backstrom, Vokuon and Quick; a second tier using a similiar statistical approach? - mike hess Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:43:56 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/2998-top-10-goalies-for-one-year-league#comment-7281 Instant Classic, That's not an out of line comment at all ;) I think it's fair to say that Thomas is still a great goalie, especially mentally. But I don't think Boston will have the luxury or reason to give him more than 20-25 games. Thomas is one year older and like a lot of goalies at that age, he is better when he's playing consistently. Last year proved this perfectly, as slowly but surely he was too inconsistent, mainly because Rask was winning games and playing well enough to warrant more starts. Therefore their roles were basically flipped by the halfway point. With Rask heading into the season as the starter, Thomas just wont get enough games in to really play at his best. I'm not saying he's any less skilled of a goalie, I'm just saying that it's tough going from a starter to a backup and not getting the minutes. A perfect example of this was Chris Osgood last year behind Howard. Osgood was no less skilled, but he never got into a rhythm because Howard played so well. I agree with you that Thomas will be the toughest to supress (Lalime, Biron, etc), but at the same time, Rask is plenty consistent enough to keep Thomas from getting 4-5 game streaks in a row. I know it's a cop-out to revert back to the 77% of games with .900 save percentage or above, but it was the best in the NHL and he has the skill to back up that consistency. If you feel that Boston will be forced to play Thomas due to his salary and the fact Rask is still very young, then it's fair to not consider Rask as the #1. Nothing wrong with your reasoning at all! But that's why I feel Thomas won't play many games ... not because he won't get the opportunities, but because he won't obtain the rhythm needed to keep Rask on the bench =). Hopefully that makes sense! - Justin Goldman Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:27:10 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/2998-top-10-goalies-for-one-year-league#comment-7280 I feel out of line questioning your goalie ratings, since you're the expert, but I can't get past Rask at #1, to me, it seems like he has the most competition for playing time out of the top 5, with a guy like Tim Thomas waiting in the wings. It typically follows that people who are getting paid play and I know that wasn't always the case last year, but it seems reasonable to expect 35+ games from a guy getting paid that much in Boston this year, am I off base on this one? Tim Thomas is certainly more of a concern for me that any of the other backups in the top 5, for that reason, I have a hard time imagining Rask picking up the volume necessary to be the top goalie in fantasy. - The Instant Classic Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:44:20 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/2998-top-10-goalies-for-one-year-league#comment-7279 Do you think that Bernier begins to take too many starts from Quick this year to put him in the top 10? If he has another year like last year, I would include him close to the top 5, that LA team is getting better and better defensively and they hve a potent offense as well. - bogans Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:15:29 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/2998-top-10-goalies-for-one-year-league#comment-7278 Without getting into to much detail, do you have a similar ranking but for a points only leage, 2W 3SO. Having to wait 5 more days for the guide is killing me :) - Patrick Nolan Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:57:47 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/justin-goldman/2998-top-10-goalies-for-one-year-league#comment-7277 Great article, another gem from the go-to goalie guy. Goalies are my favorite part of fantasy hockey and your coverage is spot on. Keep 'em coming! - GMGates / 'gatticus' Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:14:15 +0100