Comments for Enlightened You Shall Be at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 15 out of 15 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Tue, 21 May 2013 05:39:48 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/2216-enlightened-you-shall-be#comment-1256 Great article Mr. Ma 8) I've been seeing the same sort of thing in my Yahoo Mocks, but to have it all written out and analyzed like this is excellent. Looking forward to your stuff through the season. - Katharsis Wed, 09 Sep 2009 10:08:17 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/2216-enlightened-you-shall-be#comment-1230 "zetterberg and marleau wholeheartedly. I think that they are both notorious overachievers because of their situations" [i]Zetterberg?[/i]How did Zetterberg go and get lumped in there? The guy has had two separate Cup Finals runs with over a point per game, with and without Datsyuk. What more do you want from the guy? He took a backseat with the luxury of Hossa and still had a solid season. Zetterberg will have a 50 goal season in his career. Book it. What does "their situations" mean anyways? Isn't Ovechkin's "situation" partly responsible for his success as well? Isn't the whole point of a star player one who is put in a situation and is able to exploit it? Give Ovechkin checking line minutes and let's see if he scores 100 points....in other words he achieves what he achieves because he can exploit his situation. - SuperOne Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:04:11 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/2216-enlightened-you-shall-be#comment-1224 the 87-88 Calgary Flames Loob 106 pts, Bullard 103pts, Nieuwendyk 92 pts, Gary Suter 91 pts, Joe Mullen 84 pts and MacInnis 83 pts. 2 defencemen among them! What amazes me is that Suter is 2 years younger than Chelios... - Michel Cossette Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:34:04 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/2216-enlightened-you-shall-be#comment-1222 RE: Lanks I sorta agree with you and I sorta don't. If you had a decent player at each position already wouldn't you want to keep that trend going by picking up "safe" picks. If I had the mentality that I'm going to have a well balanced team, you'd want to keep that consistent throughout the draft wouldn't you? Taking a Ryan seems to buck the trend. On the other hand, if I was going to take a "gamble" team I might go hard on goalies for 1,2, then D 3,4 and then using that 5th pick to take a big gamble on Ryan and hope that he's a 90 point player... As for goalies, it actually quite shocked me when I was doing the mock drafts, [u][i][b]A LOT [/b][/i][/u]of people were bypassing goalies until late and going after offense early. Granted some people who I actually thought knew what they were doing grabbed Luongo early, but on a whole many of the "top 5" goalies that we are so accustomed to utilizing dropped and dropped dramatically. And Kipper was a surprising one. In 8 out of 10 drafts he was picked ahead of Brodeur, Backstrom and Lundy. In 4 out of 10 he was picked ahead of Luongo. Granted Yahoo settings are based on performances of last year and not a broad historical view, and that Kipper is also ranked fairly high so people would see his name and recognize it and draft him right away. I guess what I'll have to add is that citizens of Dobber Nation have been exposed to a lot of top-end quality information, while the general public is still catching up. To us it's a well known fact that Lemaire is back in town, Kipper has 4 years of declining stats, Torts is the coach of NYR and those will affect numbers. But to the general public they have no clue. So I guess it actually isn't that far-fetched if you were playing in a few public leagues that you could very well snatch a Luongo in the 3rd round... Obviously we're not going to get Luongo past the 1st round in the Dobber Expert's League (which I'm going to take BTW), but I just wanted to present what the findings were from the research that I did this weekend. Obviously I catered it towards the general public and not to the fantasy hockey experts, who already know their stuff... :D - Ryan Ma Tue, 08 Sep 2009 12:37:29 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/2216-enlightened-you-shall-be#comment-1221 RE: Marcus I would also never take Smyth over Marleau, but Smyth is ranked almost 30 spots lower than Marleau, which means that you can probably bypass Marleau in the 5th round and end up snagging a Smyth in the 7th or 8th rounds, and using that early Marleau pick for another shallower spot. In one mock draft I ended up snagging Smyth in the 12th round. At the end of the day Marleau is a 75 point type guy, Smyth is a 65-70 point guy in LA. So really giving up 30 picks for a small drop of 5-10 points is certainly worth it. - Ryan Ma Tue, 08 Sep 2009 12:19:35 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/2216-enlightened-you-shall-be#comment-1219 Excellent insight guys, I guess what I was trying to say is that it was almost 18 years ago that a team actually had 6 80 point players, and that was during the time where offense was abundant and defense was no where to be found. RE: Ryan I was trying to use that stat to solidify my point, With Perry, Getzlaf, Lupul, Selanne, Koivu and Ryan there, those are all elite guys, they aren't chums that are going to settle around the 50 point mark. So in Anaheim its going to be a shark eat shark world. They're all going to steal points from each other. I wouldn't be surprised to see a point breakdown of 90, 80, 75, 75, 70, 65 at the end of the year between the 6 players. I'll leave it up to you where you want to fill in the names besides each number, but if you're giving up a fifth round pick to get Ryan and he ends up being the 65 that's a huge bullet to have to bite, considering you can probably wait for another round, maybe 2 and get a 65 point RW instead and using that fifth rounder on shallower position. - Ryan Ma Tue, 08 Sep 2009 12:14:47 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/2216-enlightened-you-shall-be#comment-1203 1) the only reason i can think, that i'd take ryan toward the end of the fifth round in a 12 team league would be if i had 1 proven guy at every other position (including right and left wings) AND was counting on Ryan getting LW,RW eligibility (with perry, ryan, and selanne all list at right wing, something has to give right? yahoo can't be that bad right? haha) 2) I agree with zetterberg and marleau wholeheartedly. I think that they are both notorious overachievers because of their situations, and will not necessarily put up the numbers that people have come to expect from these guys. 3) [quote]Nik Backstrom (21), Martin Brodeur (28), Henrik Lundqvist (32), or perhaps even Roberto Luongo (36)[/quote] there's no way in hell that (in anything but a beer league) roberto luongo falls to the 3rd round. I also wouldn't be surprised if brodeur is the top goalie selected in leagues where people know their stuff (with lemaire heading back to jersey). - lanky522 Tue, 08 Sep 2009 06:24:28 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/2216-enlightened-you-shall-be#comment-1201 1992-93 Pittsburgh Penguins Lemieux 160pts Ron Francis 100pts Kevin Stevens 111pts Jagr 94 pts Tocchet 109pts L. Murphy 85 pts - Chris Bieniek Tue, 08 Sep 2009 05:38:59 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/2216-enlightened-you-shall-be#comment-1200 very interesting article. I myself have done a few 12 team mock drafts and I must say, I am drafting some killer teams. - justin Tue, 08 Sep 2009 05:18:22 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/2216-enlightened-you-shall-be#comment-1199 Great read Ryan. The only thing I have to say is I would never take Smyth over Marleau. I agree Marleau is over rated though and with no duo so far this season will be drafted too early. - Marcus Tue, 08 Sep 2009 05:12:15 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/2216-enlightened-you-shall-be#comment-1198 Quarter chicken, I believe you are right. The Penguins from the 92-93 season fielded 6 players with 80+ points. Lemieux, Kevin Stevens, Tocchet, Francis, Jagr, and Larry Murphy all eclipsed the mark for the defending cup champs of then and now. - steve laidlaw Tue, 08 Sep 2009 05:05:45 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/2216-enlightened-you-shall-be#comment-1197 2000-01: Penguins had 5 guys, the lowest with 76 points (43 GP). Not sure when a team had 6 - QuarterChicken Tue, 08 Sep 2009 04:52:49 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/2216-enlightened-you-shall-be#comment-1196 I believe the last team with multiple guys up near 80 points was The Penguins... Not sure if they had 6 or not but I know they had 4 or 5 top scorers. Not sure the year, I think about 8-10 years ago. - QuarterChicken Tue, 08 Sep 2009 04:50:32 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/2216-enlightened-you-shall-be#comment-1195 I agree 100% about Ryan, I can't help but think of a certain Staal in Pittsburgh. He started getting checked in his 2nd year and that proved his offensive weaknesses. I believe Ryan's skating will let him down if he is relied up on the top line? - Adrian Keogh Tue, 08 Sep 2009 04:43:35 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/columnistsarticles-mainmenu-77/amato/2216-enlightened-you-shall-be#comment-1193 Geez - no offense but I hope you're wrong about Ryan - Bighabfan Tue, 08 Sep 2009 04:00:22 +0100