Comments for Taking Advantage at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 13 out of 13 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Tue, 21 May 2013 17:47:40 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/darryl-dobbs/2197-taking-advantage#comment-1081 You have to take it with a grain of salt. Some players are limited in ice time, not because they are an "undiscovered hidden gem", but rather because they're irresponsible, inexperienced, untrustworthy and not a complete player. Coaching and seasoning has to take place in order to take it to the next level. Some guys have all the offensive talent in the world but will never reach an average of 20 minutes or even pk duties due to lack of defense. ie) Afinogenov. He is not a hidden gem. He had all the chances in the world and was exposed... plain and simple. - Jason Arbuthnot Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:52:15 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/darryl-dobbs/2197-taking-advantage#comment-1079 The assumption is that this is a sign for future production. I wonder what the numbers were for young players coming in to the league 5-10 years ago and if there is any correlation between pts/min and their production now? This could just be a stat that shows young or marginal players play less on the PK where pts/min is lower for everyone. - Sean Reichheld Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:33:01 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/darryl-dobbs/2197-taking-advantage#comment-1075 Jeremy Williams (Leafs/Marlies) is a different player than Jason Williams (Red Wings). - Mike123 Mon, 31 Aug 2009 08:49:45 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/darryl-dobbs/2197-taking-advantage#comment-1073 My Bobby Ryan manlove is now thru the roof... [quote]In limited minutes, he had a better production rate than his linemates and at 17.3 minutes/point, he would have been between Filatov and Brassard on your list. Including all names, it's interesting that as a rookie Ryan finished right behind Malkin, Parise, Crosby and Ovechkin.[/quote] - tradejunkie Mon, 31 Aug 2009 08:30:39 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/darryl-dobbs/2197-taking-advantage#comment-1069 I added a Projected button to the report generator. It does all the work. I also added a Big Board for a boat load of stats. It's scrollable so just click it and use the left/right arrow keys if the page is too long (scrollbar at bottom). - Jason Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:28:40 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/darryl-dobbs/2197-taking-advantage#comment-1067 Typically I like to look at points per 20 min. This gives you a great indication of what a player will do if he gets top line mins. Its shocking that Bobby Ryan was left off this list. 10th highest points/min last year (in this filtered list above, he would be 4th best). Here are the two P/20 Min guys: Name P/20Min Kariya 1.51 Gaborik 1.35 Semin 1.32 Datsyuk 1.25 Filatov 1.23 Malkin 1.22 Parise 1.22 Crosby 1.22 Ovechkin 1.21 Bobby Ryan 1.15 Cammalleri 1.15 Brassard 1.12 Getzlaf 1.12 Briere 1.10 Savard 1.10 These types of list help bring every player on level ground. Doing a P/20Mins even lowers the star players who play more than 20 mins. - paul4 Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:29:36 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/darryl-dobbs/2197-taking-advantage#comment-1066 Thanks Dobber. Now I'm torn. I don't want the guys in my pool to have access to the same stats I've got. I'll send my suggestions though when the forum topic is active. Age and years in the league are two great categories I like to see. It's interesting that your method for thinning the list got rid of Bobby Ryan. I know your projections for Ryan are much less than most, so it would have been interesting to see your blurb on him. In limited minutes, he had a better production rate than his linemates and at 17.3 minutes/point, he would have been between Filatov and Brassard on your list. Including all names, it's interesting that as a rookie Ryan finished right behind Malkin, Parise, Crosby and Ovechkin. - Mabus Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:44:18 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/darryl-dobbs/2197-taking-advantage#comment-1064 We'll get stuff like this added and fixed by puck drop, Mabus, not to worry! The goal will be to make any further data manipulation unnecessary as we will have it all ;) We need a place for these suggestions...I'm sure we can get a ton of feedback. I'll open something up in the forum - Dobber Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:51:38 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/darryl-dobbs/2197-taking-advantage#comment-1062 Thanks Dobber. Love the attitude. I'm guilty of the same "defensive" posts, so I'm forgiving when I see one aimed at me. The person asked where he could find points and TOI and you told him to copy it into a spreadsheet and do a vlookup. I told him it was available with a single click. Don't get me wrong, I love the frozen pond - great tools, but in this particular instance, for his particular question, the info is better somewhere else. Just another note, pulling time in the mm:ss format into excel is very messy (especially when you get over 1000 minutes). There should be an option on the frozen pond to convert everything into minutes (one minute and 30 seconds is much easier to deal with as 1.5 minutes rather than 1:30). It would also be great to see PPTOI, SHTOI and ESTOI like they have at NHL.com. - Mabus Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:42:44 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/darryl-dobbs/2197-taking-advantage#comment-1061 One-click simple TOI info can be found here: http://www.dobberhockey.com/frozenpool_report.php Just click "Time on Ice" - Dobber Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:18:48 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/darryl-dobbs/2197-taking-advantage#comment-1060 If you want simple TOI info with a single click, this is the best spot: http://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/NHL_2009_skaters.html - Mabus Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:16:04 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/darryl-dobbs/2197-taking-advantage#comment-1059 You have to run TOI and then Pts - two different things. Then you have to do a VLOOKUP on Excel to match the two. - Dobber Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:44:41 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/darryl-dobbs/2197-taking-advantage#comment-1055 I am trying to do toi/pt with defensemen but cannot figure out how to do it in the frozen pool. Any help? - Ron Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:26:55 +0100