Comments for Top 50 Goalies at http://hockey.dobbersports.com , comment 1 to 236 out of 20 comments http://hockey.dobbersports.com Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:26:19 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/26-rankings/107-top-100-goalies#comment-25767 You should replace MAF with WPFP (Whoever Plays For Pittsburgh). Do you think they are going to go with one goalie for regular season and one for post season? I think it should be immediately obvious that the reason they picked up Vokoun was due to MAF terrible post season last year. To which they were proven correct, when MAF is terrible again this post season and is replaced. I am thinking people seeing MAF as a top 5 goalie are going to be very disappointed when MAF has a reduced or no role with Pittsburgh in the next year or so. - DarthVain Tue, 21 May 2013 06:18:07 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/26-rankings/107-top-100-goalies#comment-25762 NoChance - chasing wins isn't a strategy I recommend. I am only trying to say that the one common denominator in all fantasy formats is that WINS is one of the categories. Therefore, it is the one stat that is key for ranking goalies in fantasy. So being on a better team helps. Being the clear-cut No.1 guy with a weak backup helps. Take Fleury for example. He's terrible. But the guy is going to get 35+ wins next year again even though he can't start for them in the playoffs! There are other categories considered here, but WINS is the only one that is in all pools. Wins have a positive correlation to shutouts and saves. I guarantee you that more often than not, the goalie with 35 wins has more shutouts and saves than the goalie with 25 wins. That's my point. I do not mean chase the wins. I hope that clarifies. - Dobber Mon, 20 May 2013 18:09:56 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/26-rankings/107-top-100-goalies#comment-25326 Dobber, you mention that wins is the most important stat there is. I don't quite agree with that statement. While I can understand the value in chasing wins in a roto scoring league, I believe that is a dangerous strategy in H2H leagues. Assuming the scoring categories of W, GAA, SV% and SHO, I believe SV% is the most important stat. Most H2H leagues have a minimum weekly start rate of 2 or 3 games. If you want to consistently win the W category then you will need to start more than the minimum every week. This basically means rostering and always starting three goaltenders. There are very few goalies out there (maybe 5) that both start and win a lot of games as well as consistently have a high SV%. Therefore the end result of this strategy (unless you somehow rostered 2 or 3 of the 5) is that you consistently win the W category but your success in the other categories is a toss up week to week. Now consider a strategy focusing on SV% where you will only start the minimum from week to week. To achieve this, you only need to roster 2 goalies. In fact, one of these goalies could even be in a platoon (think Halak or Schneider last year) or a backup (Khudobin this year). This opens up a roster spot for another forward/dman in order to chase those counting stats each week. You pick the best 2 matchups each week and only play those games. The result? More often than not, you will win GAA and SV% while losing W. SHO is always a toss up week to week but even if you lose it you are still splitting goaltending. Use the extra roster spot and the relatively low cost of acquiring this goaltending to focus on winning the forward/dmen categories and you consistently win your weekly matchup. - NoChance Tue, 23 Apr 2013 07:14:55 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/26-rankings/107-top-100-goalies#comment-25280 As an Anderson owner (three of my leagues), this is no oversight. In terms of talent, I consider him a Top 5 goalie in the league. Factor in his team, and maybe he's 7th or 8th. Factor in his relentless injuries...and 21 seems about right. And you didn't try trading him to other owners in your league, like I did. Tough market. Valued at 21 sounds perfect, much as I hate to say it. - Dobber Sun, 21 Apr 2013 14:29:15 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/26-rankings/107-top-100-goalies#comment-25279 My logic? 1. Give me Fleury over Rinne. Rinne is better by far, and I don't think highly of Fleury at all, but next year and to finish this year, nobody will have more wins. Nobody. And team is half the value for goalies in fantasy hockey. Not one league that counts goalies ignores the W stat. The most important stat there is. 2. As I say with all these rankings I do, I absolutely refuse to argue Player A vs. Player B when their 'rating' is within 5 of each other. If two goalies are within 5 rating points, then they are equal. Depending on mood or situation, you can choose one goalie over the other, and then the other goalie over the first one, and it's the same thing. It's like telling me you prefer strawberry jam on your bread over strawberry jelly. I just shrug. Same thing. Bobrovsky is not Jim Carey 2.0 at all though. Save that analogy for one that better fits. Like Steve Mason. 3. I've been saying that the Islanders are a team to build on for years. Lehtonen is a bandaid boy, Dubnyk has proven nothing and Reimer is only just coming into his own. But as per Point 2, these goalies are not worth the argument over Player A vs. B, ratings are too close. With all goalies, their value swings quickly and suddenly. Jimmy Howard is a Top 5 goalie one year, 15th another year, back to Top 5 another year, Rinne is Top 3 can't miss one year, then he barely gets 17 wins the next year. Mason is an untouchable superstar one year, the next year he's a laughingstock. Hiller is Top 10 one year, barely hanging onto his job the next. Reimer is terrible in the summer and the Leafs need Luongo...and three months later he's a superstar with 20 wins in a 48-game season. Need I go on? - Dobber Sun, 21 Apr 2013 14:27:32 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/26-rankings/107-top-100-goalies#comment-25265 Love the analogy, another decent one would be Steve Mason 2.0. I'm not here to say that Bob isn't the real deal, I just don't see why anyone would trade away a goalie like Rask or Quick for him yet. Both Rask & Quick are more proven, and have far better teams in front of them. Agree with Manimal and would like to hear the reasoning behind his high ranking. - MGW Sun, 21 Apr 2013 07:20:55 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/26-rankings/107-top-100-goalies#comment-25256 Good list...I have three challenges,. 1. I think you have to have Rinne ahead of fleury...the fact that pit picked up vokoun shows lack of trust with m.a.f whereas rinne has no competition. add in the fact that nashville plays a much more defensive game it seems to me as a no brainer in a trade. 2. I would be happy to trade my Bob for your rask, schneider or howard. bob has not proved near enough to be this high. bad team on a good run. He very easily could be a Jim Carey 2.0. 3. nabokov = old and really an an avg team at best over the next two years. they have thomas as well depending on what happens there...i just don't understand how you can logically put him over a riemer, lehtonen, dubnyk. Easy to poke holes - but I would be interested to understand your logic on the notes above. - Manimal Sat, 20 Apr 2013 17:29:55 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/26-rankings/107-top-100-goalies#comment-25255 Anderson dropping to 21 seems just to me, he's only got a future stud challenging him all the way, plus he was injured. Assuming he plays as he has so far this season he should bounce back to around 14 next month though you'd think. I think Holtby should be much higher, Holtby was basically MAF this last two months, except Holtby actually has good games. Washington are pretty hot and he's lucky enough to be along for the ride. - sasquatch Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:56:22 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/26-rankings/107-top-100-goalies#comment-25254 @Dobber Cory Schneider is a top 5 in my opinion. Luongo will be gone this summer and the Canucks will roll with Cory for the playoffs. - plateaumax Sat, 20 Apr 2013 15:41:24 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/26-rankings/107-top-100-goalies#comment-25252 big oversight is Anderson at 21.... - Big Ev Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:06:02 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/26-rankings/107-top-100-goalies#comment-25251 Still think it matters when a goalie is overrated, as those 70 game seasons just won't last. How bout that Bobrovsky goalie eh...a few good weeks-months and he's above Quick and Rask. IMO that's a bit premature. - MGW Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:14:23 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/26-rankings/107-top-100-goalies#comment-25250 Is Cam Ward drop-off due mainly because he is injured or has he fallen that far off from being a top 10 goalie? - MJ Flex Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:07:29 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/26-rankings/107-top-100-goalies#comment-24627 good ranking ! Price #2 woot ! Not enough credit to Mike Smith in my own ... i see I'm ahead or as good of Bobrovsky, pavelec and Howard ... - Le Jule Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:06:46 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/26-rankings/107-top-100-goalies#comment-24624 Nice to see Lehtonen moving up. From the list of criteria used to create these rankings, it appears that GAA and SV% are not factored in, correct? - jsuites Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:43:09 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/26-rankings/107-top-100-goalies#comment-24623 germant - So a month later, still feel that way about Hiller? Don't let emotions cloud judgment. Same goes for allen5938 "Miller Overrated" and MGW who agrees with him - It doesn't matter if a goalie is overrated. Because it means that the coach overrates him as well. And [i]that[/i] means that coach plays him. And if a goalie plays 70 games, he is a Top 10 keeper goalie right there. All leagues count wins and most leagues count saves - so playing 70 games makes you a stud. Doesn't matter how shitty the goalie actually is. germant - the Leafs goalies were both over Varly at the time but the difference was tiny. Tomato or Tomatto. Leafs will get more wins than the Avs. In goalie rankings - W is king. Maybe not in your league, but 99% of leagues. mabus - yes, I was saying that. Avs aren't winning any games. And I don't see them winning games next year either. Need a new coach. - Dobber Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:26:07 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/26-rankings/107-top-100-goalies#comment-24445 I totally agree. There is no way I would have Miller ranked above Quick or Rask. - MGW Sun, 03 Mar 2013 08:03:45 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/26-rankings/107-top-100-goalies#comment-24354 Miller is the most constantly over rated player in the NHL.He has had one good season in a sea mediocrity(.915 sp and 2.80 gaa) .How on earth could you possibly justify this #5 ranking.He is barely top 20. You have him ahead of Quick,Luongo ,Rask, Anderson etc etc ,not a chance. - allen5938 Sun, 24 Feb 2013 04:35:01 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/26-rankings/107-top-100-goalies#comment-24320 Man, I usually buy into this site like gospel but gotta say this list is disappointing. As mabus has said, Varlamov's position is a head scratcher. Behind BOTH Toronto goalies? And behind BOTH Anaheim goalies? Last I looked, Hiller is dangerously close to becoming a full time backup. Even more difficult to understand is he's behind both Florida goalies (though Markstrom's immense potential is tempting - it's still potential until realized) and Theodore has been brutal this year (read Feb 21 Ramblings). - germant Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:07:24 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/26-rankings/107-top-100-goalies#comment-24309 I have Miller on my fantasy squad. I think he's pretty underrated. That said, I have no idea how he is a top five goalie. He's 24th in GAA, 16th in save percentage, has six wins in 15 games, no shutouts, and the team in front of him is horrible. I don't know if the squad in front of him is good enough to win Miller games. Miller is playing well, but that's about it (Vanek too. but he's slowing down). - newfcollins Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:32:02 +0100 http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php/home-mainmenu-1/26-rankings/107-top-100-goalies#comment-24305 So in a keeper league, you think I would be better off by trading Varlamov for Theodore, Backstrom or Nabokov? For a young guy on a young but talented squad, it feels like you are a bit low on him. ...and how do both of Anaheim's (Fasth and Hiller) and Toronto's (Reimer and Scrivens) goalies have more long term value than the started in Colorado? Odd. - mabus Thu, 21 Feb 2013 05:54:30 +0100