Just wanted to throw this out there: How do you compare a goalie to a skater when you're making a trade? Is a top tier goalie equal a top tier forward? I'm just wondering how other people weigh the numbers.

For example, I'm in a 10 team h2h league (details below), and I'm looking to move a goalie. What kind of players would you consider a good return?

_____Team details
Start 3C, 3R, 3L, 4D, 1F, 2G. 9 bench.
C: M.Koivu, Couture, Spezza, B.Boyle, Marleau, Crosby (IR)
R: Backes, Callahan, Kessel, Pominville, Stafford, Parenteau
L: Ryan, Clowe, Smyth, Neal, Glencross
D: Yandle, Suter, Visnovsky, Giordano
G: Rinne, Fleury, Quick, Hiller, Crawford.

My thought is that a starting goalie is worth (about) a PPG player. A little bit more or less depending on the position.

I'd definately look at upgrading your RW.

Put a flyer out there with Crawford for Claude Giroux?

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G,A,+/-,PPP,SHP,GWG,W,SV%,SO
12 Man H2H Keeper League
C - E.Malkin(rw)/B.Boyes(rw)/B. Sutter
LW - B.Ryan/M.Duchene(c)/R.Nash/T.Fleischmann/M.Paajarvi
RW - T.Selanne/C.Giroux(c)/J.Iginla/D.Alfredsson/C.Atkinson
D - M.Green/D.Byfuglien(rw)/R.Suter/O.Ekman-Larsson/J.Carlson/J.Brodin/C.Fowler
G - J.Hiller/J.Halak/J.Howard/J.Markstrom


Farm - A.York/J.Gibson/P.Grubauer/R.Murphy

As a former goalie, I'd love to say they are equal, but they aren't. I do think they are close. It depends on your league scoring, but in mine, a stud goalie will impact 4 categories, but a stud forward will impact 6.

I think forwards have more possible impact to scoring, so they are more valuable, but they are close. Also depends on the team you're trading to - if they are desperate, goalies command a bigger price, obviously. You have an incredible stable of goalies, so I think you could get a pretty solid player in return.

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Yahoo! Keeper League (5 keepers)
G, A, Pts, +/-, PIM, FW, shots, hits, blocks, W, sv%, GAA, SO

C: Toews, Pavelski (C/RW), Krejci
LW: Kane, Moulson, Jokinen (C/LW)
RW: Seguin (C/RW), Tarasenko, Little (C/RW)
D: Ekman-Larsson, Edler, Carlson, Phaneuf
G: Miller, Bobrovsky
Bench: Stalberg, Seabrook, Neil, Faulk, Foligno

It's hard to tell without seeing your categories, but yes like said above, generally a PPG player = a starting goalie for me.

DM, I know what you're saying, but I think the fact that there are a smaller amount of goalies than forwards balances out this indifference.

Earlier this year, I dealt Crawford for Mike Richards. That was in a 16 team, weekly league and I already had Rinne and Miller though.

If I were you, I would look at dealing two of your goalies. You are wasting their value in a small H2H league.

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12 team H2H Keeper
G,A,PP,PIM,SOG
W,GAA,SV%,SO
C:Giroux,Zberg,Marleau,Kadri
LW:Ovi,Neal,Pach,Benn
RW:Perry,MSL,Wheeler
D:Yandle,Subban,Edler,OEL
G: Lundqvist,Miller,MAF

12 Team H2H
R,2b,3b,HR,RBI,AVG,SB,BB,K,E
W,L,SV,HLD,K,ERA,WHIP
C:Buck
1B:Santana
2B:Kipnis
3B:Zimmer
SS:Tulo
LF:Marte
CF:McCutch
RF:Pence
Util:Ozuna
SP:Cain,Moore,Latos,Kennedy,Ryu,Guthrie
RP:Henderson,Rivera,League,Gregerson,Herrera
DL:Hart,Anderson,Bailey

Wow. You have a lot of G's. In my league people will be chompin at the bit for them.

In my league..someone just traded Plekanec for Ward...to give you some perspective.

I think it was a pretty solid deal...however Ward COULD have commanded more...

I think a top end goalie - a - la Quick, Hiller, Fleury Rinne could get you a top 10 - 15 talent if the owner is desperate. All of those goalies are in the top echelon of goalies,

I would try moving one of them for a high end talent - Getzlaf, Thornton, etc. and then Crawford for Giroux I think would be a fair offer too.


Basicaly a top end goalie should be able to get you a top end forward....no less.

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12 team keeper H2H
G A Pts PP SOG Hit Blk PIM W SV% GAA SO

C - Lecavalier Elias T. Connolly Brodziak
LW - Nash Filppula Smyth J. Jokinen Cole
RW - Malkin Gaborik Lapierre Bourque
D - Lidstrom Bieksa Enstrom
G - Fleury Rinne
IR- Havlat, Weber

8 Team Keeper H2H
G A PP SOG +/- PIM SP W SV% GAA SO

C - Kopitar Toews Jokinen Plekanec Ott C. Smith
LW - Ove Hall Kulemin Kesler
RW - Iginla P.Kane Selanne Hejduk Horton Vrbata
D - Myers Gonchar Souray Garrison
G - Rinne Ward Smith
IR Green Reimer

In a points only league.

The low tender will record about 65-70 points. That's in a league using 24 goalies and counting the points of the top 24 goalies in the NHL. Your league uses fewer goalies, so the points total rises. It'll be nearer that 70 point level. With goaltenders, is there an over abundance in your league? This affects the tenders value. (2 pt wins, 1 pt OTL, 2 pt SO)

Now, the low centre in a pool using 36 centres scores about 50 points. The low winger scores about 43. This is a straight points perspective. There are more available centres in the 50 point range than 42 point LW & RW. Demand is greater on the wing. Therefore I wouldn't trade my winger for a similar age centre, with similar upside. Age definitely factors in a discussion. Upside factors in a discussion. I do know that it is unlikely that I'd trade my Ward for a Plekky. Although Carolina isn't strong at the moment, one can wonder if the team will rise (or not) in the coming seasons. Goaltenders values are artificially affected by their teams and by the other goaltenders in the system. (Dominek Hasek had little/no value when he played behind Ed Belfour). So. I don't think you're going to get a cracker jack forward like M Richards, Getzlaf, Thornton for anyone but Fleury. He is very secure and in an excellent environment. You'll have to sniff around a while to see what Quick might bring in return, or Hiller or Rinne. They either have teammates threatening or their teams are middling. If you can add something with them, to land that top notch guy, I would do that. Fleury, I feel differently about though. He should bring the return on his own.

By the way, the bottom D-man (48 D-men in a pool) was 29 points last year. I like to measure the points a player will get above the listed number 65, 50, 43, 29. These points levels create a comparison level. A team full of the low guys in the pool won't win any championships. Thus, it's the points above these levels that allow you to win. I then like to project for five seasons to see which side gets the most points 'Above the Bar' or base line points. Getting the best player in the deal is important. Identifying players you think are currently achieving below their level, but will bounce back, is important. Don't trade, for the sake of trading. Don't accept players that are hard/impossible to trade. Collect draft picks, they're like currency. Pick players out, that you want, and then be aggressive in acquiring that specific player. Don't settle for something else. Over pay for those guys, you'll discover that, in the end, it really wasn't an over payment at all!

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Best One Moment Wonders
Darryl Sittler (10 point game)
Tom Bladon (8 point game - blueliner)
Sam Gagner (8 point game)
Al Hill (5 points in 1st NHL game)
Brian Boucher (5 consecutive SO)
Ian Turnbull (5 goal game)
Stastny Brothers (16 point game)

Yeah, I see what you're saying. I wasn't trying to devalue goalies, I still value them they're made of gold. They are certainly more scarce, but my thoughts are that well rounded fantasy stud forwards are too.

Difference of opinion, I suppose.

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Yahoo! Keeper League (5 keepers)
G, A, Pts, +/-, PIM, FW, shots, hits, blocks, W, sv%, GAA, SO

C: Toews, Pavelski (C/RW), Krejci
LW: Kane, Moulson, Jokinen (C/LW)
RW: Seguin (C/RW), Tarasenko, Little (C/RW)
D: Ekman-Larsson, Edler, Carlson, Phaneuf
G: Miller, Bobrovsky
Bench: Stalberg, Seabrook, Neil, Faulk, Foligno

Thanks for all the advice guys!

The league I'm in has 6 goalie categories (W, SA, SV, GAA, S%, SO) compared to 9 for skaters. Typically if you're winning one of those categories you're also winning 2 or 3 more, and possibly all 6, so for this reason G are a hot commodity in this pool. Most teams in the pool have 4 G or more. There are no starters on the waiver wire, where the best available tender is likely Garon. Which is why when someone dropped Hiller when he got hurt I scooped him up.

Also, one or two owners autodrafted and ended up with crap in net. So it sounds like it's possible to get someone like Giroux if he's desperate.