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Old 05-01-2010, 01:59 PM
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That's all purely by the numbers Dobber but where's the heart? He's got that C on his jersey for a reason, it means he's supposed to lead his team, he's supposed to drag them up when their spirits sag, he's supposed to lead by example and be the ultimate teammate. I saw a guy trying to do it all himself most of the time and jawing at his teammates for not getting him the puck, you'll never win a cup with that attitude I don't care how gifted you are. Sure there's lots of blame to go around, it wasn't just OV, it looked like a group of talented individuals playing a pickup game where they all agreed beforehand that the guy with the most goals didn't have to pay for beers afterwords...there was very little chemistry and flow to their game and only Backstrom seemed to be playing as a teammate. The point I'm trying to make is that when OV hits a wall of adversity he tries to skate thru it (or shoot thru it), he hasn't learned that you can't do it all yourself and that there are about a dozen more important things to being a Captain than how many goals you score
Put Ovechkin on a team with five other talented players, and then a bunch of dummies who mail it in, and I don't know if this is fair. Put Crosby in the same situation and the Caps would have still failed. Half of this team didn't show up. I guess he could have inspired his teammates more with a passionate speech or two...but how do we know he didn't try that? I dunno...
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i said it at the trade deadline, the caps did not improve their main weakness: defence. they went out and got joe corvo, when instead they should have gotten a stay at home dman. the caps have more then enough scoring weapons, but their defence is terrible. ovechkin is to be blamed-to an extent. there were many times where he tried to do things all himself (i.e rushing into the offensive zone and trying to dangle through 2 guys). but i definitely agree with dobber that the supporting cast was terrible. semin had some close chances, but how he wasn't able to bury even 1 goal is pathetic. what washington needs to do:

1) let theodore walk
2) varlamov and neuvrith split starts
3) sign/trade for a stay at home shutdown dman (atleast 1)
4) trade semin for a dman + forward
Belanger was a good acquisition and helped with the defense (he won so many draws!). I think this team blew it more for their offense. Semin and Green were terrible.
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A lot of people can be blamed for the Caps failure, including Ovechkin and Boudreau. But they are certainly not at the top of the list. You are correct, imo, in putting the majority of the blame on players like Semin, Green, and Fleischmann. The only player, imo, who deserves no blame was Backstrom. If anything, this kid's stock only increased with this series. He was the best player (besides Halak) in many of the games.
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I agree with most of the points made but I don't think you blow it up now. I still think this team can win the cup with a little more seasoning (most of the prime guys are still very young). They came pretty close last year to making it past the Pens and it did take most of the 'dynasty' type teams a couple of playoff trips to figure it out too.
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Belanger was a good acquisition and helped with the defense (he won so many draws!). I think this team blew it more for their offense. Semin and Green were terrible.

Yet he turned over the puck on a bad pass or lost so many fights for the puck along the boards, that I think it negated every draw he won. He sounded like a good acquisition, but watching the games I think the caps were better off without him.

The caps also got Jurcina back who I think would have helped them, but I think he ended up not playing at all due to a hernia injury.
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I agree with most of the points made but I don't think you blow it up now. I still think this team can win the cup with a little more seasoning (most of the prime guys are still very young). They came pretty close last year to making it past the Pens and it did take most of the 'dynasty' type teams a couple of playoff trips to figure it out too.
So many of those young guys are UFA or RFA. If you they don`t make changes now, they may end up locked into bad contracts for years to come.
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A lot of people can be blamed for the Caps failure, including Ovechkin and Boudreau. But they are certainly not at the top of the list. You are correct, imo, in putting the majority of the blame on players like Semin, Green, and Fleischmann. The only player, imo, who deserves no blame was Backstrom. If anything, this kid's stock only increased with this series. He was the best player (besides Halak) in many of the games.
I can't remember anything Backstrom did in games 5, 6, and 7.
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Just an observation,but i don't beleive Ovechkin was the same player after the olympics as was the problem with a few players. i don't know if it drained them or what. Ovie's stats and his intensity seemed to take a hit. I have always been amazed by Ovie's sustained intensity and have wondered if it was aided in any way. I know i'll get blasted for bringing up the juice factor but i do think it's a possibilty.
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They got beat by a red-hot goalie...i think we have seen this before...Green did have a terrible series and the coaching did seemingly little to adjust as the series moved on but if the goalie on the other end played like a mortal they would have won...J.Carlson looked like a rookie several times a game as well showing zero hustle so i'm not sure why he seems to get a free pass...once again i point out it wouldnt have mattered...they were beat by a super-human effort in net...that is all.
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Maybe it's just that Ovechkin, Green and Semin aren't as great as everyone thinks they are.

Tons of talent there obviously but these guys have shown an inability to adapt their game. They actually seemed a little one dimensional for playoff hockey where the other team gets to formulate a game plan to shut them down.

Remember all the talk about leaving Green off the Olympic team as being a mistake. What are those people thinking now? I'll take a Dman like Doughty over Green every time. Real life or fantasy hockey.

Ovechkin obviously has the heart and drive. You can't deny that. His attitude needs some work. What happens when he loses half a step and/or a bit of speed off his shot? Does he have the ability physically AND mentally to adapt his game and still be dominant?

All the truly great players did more than just score.
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