The recent \"ramblings\" over B.Ryan and next year\'s 60 pt projection?
Is anyone as confused as I am? 22 yrs old, partial season, and not played with Getz at all times? Someone tell Carlyle that Perry is not the star, B Ryan is.
He is Bertuzzi at his prime at 22. Next to Getz he is the most offensive player on that Ducks team. A comment like Ryan getting \"60\" is more stupid than Paul Martin getting \"50.\"
Before I met this site, I was fairly consistent on top, and Dobber, has helped me alot (Markov, Caputi, Hensick) with picks. But notice, alot have yet to perform?
Maybe somemore comment from Dobber to insure the member stays is called for, b/c I\'m puzzled and quite frankly pissed off as a Ryan ownwer. Seems like this free fantasy site is becoming rather commercial quickly.

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Roto 5x5 - 1 Yr - 23 active spots (14 hitters, any 9 pitchers) - 5 bench

C - M.Montero, Gattis; 1B - Pujols; 2B - Altuve; SS - A.Escobar; 3B - A.Ramirez; CI: Frazier; MI: Walker; OF: Holliday, Cruz, de Aza, Markakis, Dirks; UT: ; Span P - Cain, Cueto, Grienke, S.Miller, Milone, Cashner, T.Lyons, Romo, Betancourt; Bench - H.Bell, Grandal (S), Ogando (DL), Pineda (DL), Stanton (DL).

Dobber\'s ramblings aren\'t meant to pacify particular fantasy owners.

Ryan has yet to achieve a 60 point season (I realize that he didn\'t play 82 games, but the fact remains) so to predict much more than that in his first full year would be be bold. Could it happen? Of course, and Dobber would be the first to agree. But his predictions are meant to, on average, be as close as possible to the actual results. And it pays to be conservative when predicting young players\' numbers. That\'s just good sense.

You might be letting yourself get sucked in by the hype a little yourself, dismissing Perry as a star and ready to anoint Ryan before he even plays a full season. Also, you shouldn\'t take Dobber\'s (or anyone\'s!) word as gospel. Take these predictions and add them to your own intuition to get the most complete look at any situation. Ultimately, the decision will be yours; if you think Ryan is a lock for 80 points next year then it\'s your prerogative to proceed accordingly and nobody can blame you for having an opinion.

I also think it\'s probably a bit unfair to say the site is becoming more commercial on the basis of a remark you disagree with. Don\'t see the connection, really.

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20 team H2H keeper. Keep 10. Now drafting...
Start 2C, 2L, 2R, 2W, 2F, 4D, 1G daily
G,A,+/-,PIM,PPP,SHP,GWG,SOG and W,GAA,SV%,SO

C: Getzlaf, Zetterberg, Mueller, Gerbe
L: Parise, Elias, Prust, Pouliot
R: Gaborik, Briere, Clarkson, Brouwer
D: Weber, Yandle, E. Johnson, Zidlicky
G: Howard, Gustavsson, Fasth

Farm: Toffoli, Tatar, Lehner, Josi

Look at his frigginn numerbs............seriosly.
57 in 64? That\'s playing a rookie year with some 4th line Parros as protector.
duty & Parros?
Flat out. Ryan is much better than Perry. Biggier and stronger. And more offensively skilled. I wanna see Ryan not Peter, or \"PERRRY.\"

PS Carlyle should be fired..........

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Roto 5x5 - 1 Yr - 23 active spots (14 hitters, any 9 pitchers) - 5 bench

C - M.Montero, Gattis; 1B - Pujols; 2B - Altuve; SS - A.Escobar; 3B - A.Ramirez; CI: Frazier; MI: Walker; OF: Holliday, Cruz, de Aza, Markakis, Dirks; UT: ; Span P - Cain, Cueto, Grienke, S.Miller, Milone, Cashner, T.Lyons, Romo, Betancourt; Bench - H.Bell, Grandal (S), Ogando (DL), Pineda (DL), Stanton (DL).

Put it this way...............Giroux who i highly believe will break this year and get 65 ext year.........Ryan is a freak. Why was he a #2......In our franchise he\'s a #1.

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Roto 5x5 - 1 Yr - 23 active spots (14 hitters, any 9 pitchers) - 5 bench

C - M.Montero, Gattis; 1B - Pujols; 2B - Altuve; SS - A.Escobar; 3B - A.Ramirez; CI: Frazier; MI: Walker; OF: Holliday, Cruz, de Aza, Markakis, Dirks; UT: ; Span P - Cain, Cueto, Grienke, S.Miller, Milone, Cashner, T.Lyons, Romo, Betancourt; Bench - H.Bell, Grandal (S), Ogando (DL), Pineda (DL), Stanton (DL).

I think starglider hits it on the nail. 60 is pretty conservative but keep in mind a variety of factors, sophomore slump, lineup splits to name a few... if Dobber comes out and says 80, and he doesn\'t hit it, who\'s going to be the first people to have his head on a pole, YOU GUYS! if he comes out and says expect 60 and he ends up getting 75, he won\'t get crap from anyone.

Also I think you have to keep in mind that you are an Ryan owner so you have bias in your opinion of his production. Not faulting you for that, but anyone that owns any fantasy player will have that bias whether it\'s Ryan/Ovechin/Crosby or Jason Chimera. Perry has 195 points in 286 games, to say that Ryan is more of a star than Perry I think is unjustified. Ryan has talent, I won\'t argue that with you, but there isn\'t a big enough bank of evidence to say that Ryan is a star and Perry is not, at least not with complete with confidence.

Also I agree with what Starglider said, Dobber\'s opinions are NOT GOSPEL, you take them with a grain of salt, if you agree then you agree, if you don\'t then don\'t. Dobber only admits to being 52% of the time, I personally think he has a higher hit rate than that, but if you\'re right 52% of the time you\'re wrong 48% of the time. You also have a plethora of Dobberites here to give you a different opinion if you ask them for one.

Face it at the end of the day, nothing in this world is free, Dobber has to pay the bills somehow, he dedicates numerous hours behind the scenes to help people who are looking for help and the best part of it is that it\'s FREE. You don\'t have to pay a dime if you don\'t want to. So what if he wants to take it to the next level and make a few bucks out of it. He takes all the risk, if his product is inferior there goes his livelihood, if he creates a product that is fitting to many consumers he makes money. I don\'t see a problem of it becoming commercial to be honest, it\'s still one of the best sites for fantasy hockey available on the web.

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What a weird thing to get your panties in a bunch about.

Sam Gagner last year: 49 in 79
Sam Gagner this year: 41 in 76

Peter Mueller last year: 54 points in 81 games
Peter Mueller this year: 36 points in 72 games

Both of those players are extremely talented and had almost PPG second halves in their first year. A lot of people kind of guaranteed, like you are doing with Ryan now, that they would get 60+ each this year. They didn\'t. Sophomore slumps. Nothing is guaranteed, especially with young players.

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12 team H2H dynasty, most categories under the sun, incl. hits/blocks. Main team, farm

C: Kopitar Backstrom Stepan Cammalleri Little Bolland Laich Johnson
LW: Parise Lupul Erat McDonald Martin Silfverberg Nyquist Schwartz Morin Nieto Conacher
RW: PKane Doan Pominville Nash Clowe Lupul Rinaldo Stafford Rattie Stone Chiasson Ritchie
D: Green Suter Seabrook Dillon Beauchemin Schenn Letang Schultz Hamilton McNabb Rielly Harrison
G: Bryzgalov Pavelec Holtby Neuvirth Nihlstorp Lack CalPickard Andersen Stalock Sateri Eriksson
IR: Halak

bluejays wrote:
Btw, how do you come to this conclusion? In the rest of the post you are complaining about how Dobber is underselling Ryan. Seems a bit irrational to me.

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GO WINGS!

12 team H2H dynasty, most categories under the sun, incl. hits/blocks. Main team, farm

C: Kopitar Backstrom Stepan Cammalleri Little Bolland Laich Johnson
LW: Parise Lupul Erat McDonald Martin Silfverberg Nyquist Schwartz Morin Nieto Conacher
RW: PKane Doan Pominville Nash Clowe Lupul Rinaldo Stafford Rattie Stone Chiasson Ritchie
D: Green Suter Seabrook Dillon Beauchemin Schenn Letang Schultz Hamilton McNabb Rielly Harrison
G: Bryzgalov Pavelec Holtby Neuvirth Nihlstorp Lack CalPickard Andersen Stalock Sateri Eriksson
IR: Halak

If you own Ryan, you will be one very happy GM in future years as eveything indicates he\'ll be a fantasy stud.

If you expect 80+ points from here next year, you may be disappointed if he does hit the dreaded sophomore slump.

Me I love owners that sour on a prospect because he hasn\'t lived up to everyone\'s hype. That is how you get a very talented player on the cheap.

Ryan, at this point in his career, should only be your 3rd RW or perhaps your 2nd, depending on how deep your league and team are. I\'d would say you should expect 60 as a conservative number and anything above that as gravy.

As this site becoming too commercial... well your welcome to stay as long as you like and post/read opinions, just like everyone else.

Bluejays - you aren\'t making alot of sense in your posts on this matter. Could you clarify what you are getting at?

However I will comment on something I have noticed lately. I remember a time when a prospect was signed by a team and there would be some comment about the guy\'s fantasy value and his prospectus in the ramblings. Now there is his name, the team he signed with and the number the guy sits on Dobber\'s fantasy list and then a statement that a detailed writeup can be found in Dobber\'s Prospect Report. So yeah, I think things have changed some.

You are right Woodrow, each member can take it or leave it. But when any enterprise or individual takes that stance because they feel they are dealing from a position of strength, they are the most vulnerable.

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Yahoo weekly starts 12 team league, keep 17 plus farm

GS, W, L, SV, GAA, SV%, SO G, A, P, +/-, PIM, SOG, GWG, PPP, SHP, HITS, FOW

3C: H. Sedin,Stepan, Stastny, R. Johansen, Hanzal, Anisimov,
3LW: Burrows, Vanek, Ott, Lupul, Dubinsky
3RW: Doan, Pavelski, Brown, Okposo,
6D: Franson, Doughty, Voynov, Subban, Markov, Gonchar, Karlsson
1Util:
2G: Price, Emery


Farm: (< 100 games): S. Elliott, J. Bernier, Galchenyuk, Etem, Eakin, Atkinson

His stats.......

2008-09 Iowa Chops AHL 14 9 10 19
2008-09 Anaheim Ducks NHL 64 31 26 57
2008-09 Anaheim Ducks NHL Playoffs 13 5 2 7

Ryan played a good number of games with 4th liner and \&quot;tough\&quot; guy George Parros. The other half he played with Miller or Carter (sorry I cannot recall). It was only while \&quot;old man\&quot; Selanne\&quot; was out that he was promoted to top line duty with Getz/Perry. His PPG last year was .89 working out to 73 pts over 82 games.
Yet, Ryan will decrease to 60?
I was a suppertor that Carlyle should loose his job as any other coach would \&quot;cement\&quot; Ryan on that top line. He clearly has shown that he has the skill. When I say Carlyle isen\'t using him correctly, that\'s what I mean.
Power forwards do not slump. Its a proven thing. Think Lindross &amp; Bertuzzi.
There is no way he goes down to 60. If anything he progresses mildly to 75 or Carlyle gets his screws tightened and he hits 80-82.

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Roto 5x5 - 1 Yr - 23 active spots (14 hitters, any 9 pitchers) - 5 bench

C - M.Montero, Gattis; 1B - Pujols; 2B - Altuve; SS - A.Escobar; 3B - A.Ramirez; CI: Frazier; MI: Walker; OF: Holliday, Cruz, de Aza, Markakis, Dirks; UT: ; Span P - Cain, Cueto, Grienke, S.Miller, Milone, Cashner, T.Lyons, Romo, Betancourt; Bench - H.Bell, Grandal (S), Ogando (DL), Pineda (DL), Stanton (DL).