Oh my it does pay to dig - Crosby is a cap hit of 850,000 this year so his cost per point is $6296. I thought he was into his contract extension already.

Still messing with this - got a little more complicated than I envisioned - so what else is new huh!

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Yahoo weekly starts 12 team league, keep 17 plus farm

GS, W, L, SV, GAA, SV%, SO G, A, P, +/-, PIM, SOG, GWG, PPP, SHP, HITS, FOW

3C: H. Sedin,Stepan, Stastny, R. Johansen, Hanzal, Anisimov,
3LW: Burrows, Vanek, Ott, Lupul, Dubinsky
3RW: Doan, Pavelski, Brown, Okposo,
6D: Franson, Doughty, Voynov, Subban, Markov, Gonchar, Karlsson
1Util:
2G: Price, Emery


Farm: (< 100 games): S. Elliott, J. Bernier, Galchenyuk, Etem, Eakin, Atkinson

If you can get a 100+ point player go for it. I think it helps your team in the long run. You do have to be careful not to spend all of you money before the draft is over but you don\'t want to spend to little either.

As for drafting D I always wait a few rounds. For example last year we had 18 rounds and I didn\'t pick up a D until round 5. I always like having a C, LW, RW, G and a second G or forward depending on how everyone is drafting. Then I go for a D.

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Fantasy Team H2H 12 Team
G,A,+/-,PIM,PPP,SHG,GWG,W,GAA,SV%, and SHO.

LW-Ovechkin,Nash,Frolov,Huselius,Benn
C-D.Roy,Drury,Tavares,Morrison
RW-Alfredsson,D.Brown,Lupul
D-Pronger,Ehrhoff,Hedman,McCabe
G-Brodeur,S.Mason
IR-Kessel

I am amending the list I had here before - I missed a lot of cap hits because I was drawing from this years salary column instead - this list is now corrected

Forwards

Player -Points -Cap hit -Cost per point

Crosby- 135- 3,700,000- 27,407
Thorton- 116- 6,667,000- 57,474
Ovechkin- 115- 3,834,000- 33,339
Heatley- 105- 4,500,000- 42,857
Malkin- 104- 3,834,000- 36,865
Lecavalier- 102- 6,875,000- 67,402
Spezza- 101- 4,500,000- 44,554
Hossa- 98- 6,000,000- 61,224
Savard- 95- 5,000,000- 52,632
Jokinen- 93- 5,250,000- 56,452
Briere- 93- 6,500,000- 69,892
Iginla- 91- 7,000,000- 76,923
Jagr- 91- 4,940,000- 54,286
Alfredsson- 91- 4,339,000- 47,681
St. Louis- 91- 5,250,000- 57,692
Kovalchuk- 89- 6,389,000- 71,787
Datsyuk- 89- 6,700,000- 75,281
D Sedin- 87- 3,575,000- 41,092
Vanek- 86- 7,143,000- 83,058
Sakic- 86- 6,750,000- 78,488
H Sedin- 86- 3,575,000- 41,570
Richards- 85- 7,800,000- 91,765
Staal- 84- 4,500,000- 53,571
Marleau- 84- 4,167,000- 49,607
Gaborik- 83- 6,333,000- 76,301
Gomez- 83- 7,357,000- 88,639
Gagne- 83- 5,250,000- 63,253
Cheechoo- 83- 3,000,000- 36,145
Afinogenov- 81- 3,333,000- 41,148
Tanguay- 81- 5,250,000- 64,815
Zetterberg- 81- 2,650,000- 32,716
Sundin- 80- 5,500,000- 68,750
Nylander- 79- 4,875,000- 61,709
McDonald- 77- 3,333,000- 43,286
J. Williams- 76- 3,500,000- 46,053
Hemsky- 76- 4,100,000- 53,947
P Bergeron- 75- 4,750,000- 63,333
Havlat- 75- 6,000,000- 80,000
Stastny- 75- 850,000- 11,333
Cammalleri- 75- 3,350,000- 44,667
Elias- 75- 6,000,000- 80,000
Kariya- 75- 6,000,000- 80,000
Semin- 75- 1,300,000- 17,333
Langkow- 74- 2,442,000- 33,000
Brunette- 74- 1,600,000- 21,622
Kopitar- 74- 956,000- 12,919
Gionta- 73- 4,000,000- 54,795
S. Kozlov- 72- 3,667,000- 50,931
Hejduk- 72- 3,900,000- 54,167
Brind\'amour- 71- 3,600,000- 50,704
Frolov- 71- 2,900,000- 40,845
Sykora- 71- 2,625,000- 36,972
Straka- 70- 3,300,000- 47,143
Prospal- 70- 1,900,000- 27,143

Unfortunately I don\'t know how to keep the columns seperated in this forum. My list looks much neater.

Post edited by: Shoeless, at: 2007/09/11 21:59

Post edited by: Shoeless, at: 2007/09/11 22:03

Post edited by: Shoeless, at: 2007/09/11 22:05

Post edited by: Shoeless, at: 2007/09/11 22:08

Post edited by: Shoeless, at: 2007/09/13 03:57

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Yahoo weekly starts 12 team league, keep 17 plus farm

GS, W, L, SV, GAA, SV%, SO G, A, P, +/-, PIM, SOG, GWG, PPP, SHP, HITS, FOW

3C: H. Sedin,Stepan, Stastny, R. Johansen, Hanzal, Anisimov,
3LW: Burrows, Vanek, Ott, Lupul, Dubinsky
3RW: Doan, Pavelski, Brown, Okposo,
6D: Franson, Doughty, Voynov, Subban, Markov, Gonchar, Karlsson
1Util:
2G: Price, Emery


Farm: (< 100 games): S. Elliott, J. Bernier, Galchenyuk, Etem, Eakin, Atkinson

Isn\'t Vanek\'s cap hit only just over 7 million? That would make his salary a bit better off.

Yeah i knew I had a couple of them wrong the cap hit and 07/08 columns are beside each other and I did grab the wrong number a couple of times - thanks buddy Vanek;s is corrected in the post now - will check the others.

I guess I was more interested at this moment in seeing if this would be a useful list for this particular league or similar leagues that use the cap hit.

Post edited by: Shoeless, at: 2007/09/11 22:10

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Yahoo weekly starts 12 team league, keep 17 plus farm

GS, W, L, SV, GAA, SV%, SO G, A, P, +/-, PIM, SOG, GWG, PPP, SHP, HITS, FOW

3C: H. Sedin,Stepan, Stastny, R. Johansen, Hanzal, Anisimov,
3LW: Burrows, Vanek, Ott, Lupul, Dubinsky
3RW: Doan, Pavelski, Brown, Okposo,
6D: Franson, Doughty, Voynov, Subban, Markov, Gonchar, Karlsson
1Util:
2G: Price, Emery


Farm: (< 100 games): S. Elliott, J. Bernier, Galchenyuk, Etem, Eakin, Atkinson

I have been wanting to put together a list like this as I think it would be really helpful for drafting in a keeper league.

But I\'ve never gotten around to it.

I am certain something like this would be really helpful.

Well any list like this would be easy to do if we had a database with all the players in it and values for several key factors. We could then generate reports with the information listed that we thought were important to our particular league.

I think a pre-draft report for this particular league would be simple - call for players ranked by projected points, with their salary cap hit and the cost per point (essentially a bang for your buck indicator). Probably call for the top 200 forwards in one report. The top 80 D guys in another report and perhaps an integrated report of the two.

Frankly if Dobber put together such a database I would pay some to just be able to put in a report request for the factors I wanted in the report - he could run the report and send it to me or it could be automated - pay up front - put in the report parameters and hit request -10 seconds later - Bob\'s your uncle. If I am in 3 very different kinds of leagues and looking for different sets of information on players - it would be wonderful to be able to buy that without having to maintain or develop my own system. My time is worth more than the $3.00 to $5.00 it would cost to buy each report I wanted.

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Yahoo weekly starts 12 team league, keep 17 plus farm

GS, W, L, SV, GAA, SV%, SO G, A, P, +/-, PIM, SOG, GWG, PPP, SHP, HITS, FOW

3C: H. Sedin,Stepan, Stastny, R. Johansen, Hanzal, Anisimov,
3LW: Burrows, Vanek, Ott, Lupul, Dubinsky
3RW: Doan, Pavelski, Brown, Okposo,
6D: Franson, Doughty, Voynov, Subban, Markov, Gonchar, Karlsson
1Util:
2G: Price, Emery


Farm: (< 100 games): S. Elliott, J. Bernier, Galchenyuk, Etem, Eakin, Atkinson

thanks a bunch for your in-depth review. i\'m freakin\' crazy-busy at work right now, but in the next couple days i\'ll reply to your thoughts at length, shoeless.

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In a salary cap league, it all boils down to managing your money rather than getting the highest scorer. shoeless has the right idea in determining relative value based on things like games played, pts per game, etc. etc.

Post edited by: bongio, at: 2007/09/12 15:02

Chuckles

I edited my post with the players list in it - I caught alot of errors in my list as I didn\'t grab the right numbers many times - Ovie, Crosby and Malkin are still very good buys for the money but not so dramatically ahead of the field anymore. I added another 20 players to the list - now up to 54 - still think to use this approach the first 200 skaters in order of points would be a good idea and about 80-100 D guys.

This list however does highlight the really good deals - Stastny, Kopitar are two that are real obvious.

Here is a list of the top 20 projected D scorers (Dobber\'s projections)

Defense

Player- Points- Cap hit- Cost per point

Gonchar- 72- 5,000,000- 69,444
Whitney- 71- 4,000,000- 56,338
Kaberle- 67- 4,250,000- 63,433
Lidstrom- 65- 7,600,000- 116,923
McCabe- 60- 5,750,000- 95,833
Boyle- 59- 3,333,000- 56,492
Pronger- 58- 6,250,000- 107,759
Visnovsky- 57- 1,824,000- 32,000
Phaneuf- 55- 785,000- 14,273
Zubov- 55- 4,000,000- 72,727
Pitkanen- 55- 2,400,000- 43,636
MA Bergeron- 55- 1,064,000- 19,345
Timmonen- 54- 6,333,000- 117,278
Souray- 53- 5,400,000- 101,887
A. Markov- 53- 5,750,000- 108,491
Rafalski- 52- 6,000,000- 115,385
Campbell- 51- 1,500,000- 29,412
Bouwmeester- 51- 2,175,000- 42,647
Schneider- 49- 5,625,000- 114,796
Chara- 48- 7,500,000- 156,250

Post edited by: Shoeless, at: 2007/09/13 04:47

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Yahoo weekly starts 12 team league, keep 17 plus farm

GS, W, L, SV, GAA, SV%, SO G, A, P, +/-, PIM, SOG, GWG, PPP, SHP, HITS, FOW

3C: H. Sedin,Stepan, Stastny, R. Johansen, Hanzal, Anisimov,
3LW: Burrows, Vanek, Ott, Lupul, Dubinsky
3RW: Doan, Pavelski, Brown, Okposo,
6D: Franson, Doughty, Voynov, Subban, Markov, Gonchar, Karlsson
1Util:
2G: Price, Emery


Farm: (< 100 games): S. Elliott, J. Bernier, Galchenyuk, Etem, Eakin, Atkinson