87Flyer wrote:
i find it embarassing. I think they should just end the series now, what\'s the point of winning the next 3 games? there\'s no \"show\" to enjoy, it\'s just a bunch of kids routing another bunch of kids, and i dunno about you, but i find it hard to watch 16 and 17 year old kids get beaten down night after night. in my opinion, this isn\'t helping international hockey in any way.

It is painful to watch. They should just throw all the sticks in the middle and make new teams with players from both countries.

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well unfortunately this series was created by some russians. these same people also said they were going to send their best to play, maybe they should have. tell me would you say the same thing during the stanley cup finals, oh look detroit just won both games in philly and now is going home with a chance to sweep. ok everyone stanley cup is over now. give me a break.

when you call on the biggest kid in school and tell him to meet you outside at the end of the day and he does do you back out when you realize you bit off more than you can chew or do you go and taqke your lumps because your big mouth got you into the trouble. maybe these guys across the water shouldve put a little more thought into what they were asking.

for that matter if its that boring and ambarassing for you turn it off and watch grays anatomy or something. no one is twisting any arms here to watch the series. we havent had any hockey since the cup final, i dont care what it is, i\'d be watching the women play right now if thats all that was on and id enjoy that to.

maybe next time when all the critics want to start lipping off about how the americans and the russians and the czeks and the swedes and the fins and just about any other country that they can drum up has a better program than ours and how were falling off the pace and we need to be worried about where our programs are leading and if theyre bringing up enuff talent to represent our country properly we\'ll just have to tell them to remember the 35th anniversary summit series when Canada took on the 2nd best hockey power and there really wasnt anything to decide as the series was over after the first game. i think now that the russians have been wiped clean they should continue this tourny and bring on the next country.

we could do this every year and maybe make it start a week or so earlier so it doesnt interfere with the camps. it gets the kids juices flowing and helps them get prepeared for the upcoming chance at making the NHL. i think its been great and i wouldnt be surprised if some of these kids make the bigs because of this tourny. why not have other countries do the same thing and just alternate around each year. this way we dont have to wait until christmas to see the next generation of kids play. would be awesome for all the major powers to have a chance to shocase their players and the different styles they utilize to train their kids and i guess for all those people who just can\'t handle the beats that we lay down well i guess maybe we can make 2 teams and play against ourselves until the rest of the world catches up.

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Protect- roster:18 + prospects:7
F- Tavares, M.Richards, Lecavalier, Kovalchuk, Horton, Hossa, Purcell, Hartnell, Pominville, Simmonds
D- Doughty, Hedman, Boyle, Meszaros, Wideman
G- Fleury, Halak, Vokoun


Prospects-
F- Bowman, Coyle, Adam, Zibenajad, Geoffrion
D- Savard, Wishart
G- Hackett, Jones

87Flyer wrote:
umm, we do do this every year, it\'s called the world junior championship, and it\'s a lot more competitive and entertaining than this series. and this is in no way comparable to a stanley cup final where you have 2 teams that have battled their way through the best in the league to get there. This is one hugely mismatched team against another, and if that entertains you, fine, but don\'t call it hockey.

also, you seem to have a big chip on your shoulder regarding Canada\'s place in international hockey. I haven\'t really heard anyone put down Canada\'s national junior program in a very long time, in fact, any of Canada\'s national teams except maybe the embarrassing team we sent to the last Olympics. Maybe you just need to let go of this resentment, because none of the Russian hockey establishment was crowing about how they would dominate this series before it began.

Post edited by: repenttokyo, at: 2007/09/05 12:28

As a Canadian I think it\'s sort of sad to watch. I watch because it\'s the only hockey on and I can watch some of the young guys, but honestly it\'s not very entertaining at all.

As for the status of Canadian hockey, the truth is internationally the Swedes have been on top for quite a while now and until Canada steps it up in a few more tournaments in the next couple years they are still the current #1 team.

thats right and like i said before if you hadve actually read it it\'s nice to have hockey nowafter a full summer without. you may like to watch 1 junior tournament each year but i\'d rather see these kids play a few times. i kinda like to get an idea of what they got and who they are rather than on draft day when some kids name is called and i go who is he and where did he play.

gee u think. this is supposed to be an exibition to commemorate the real one 35 yrs ago. but i guess that slipped by you as well and now it\'s just about how boring it is.

i find that interesting when i consider how many kids today and for the last 20 years have been coming out of russia and ripping it up in the NHL. are all the russians just shit when theyre young and then one day they turn into NHLers or is it maybe that they just dont have the gumption or heart now that they were beaten on home soil to try to restore some of their dignity by beating us on our soil.

as for the dont call it hockey, i guess you dont consider the women hockey players either. they continously beat up on every other team but the states. i\'m thinking you don\'t support them either because theyre just not exciting enuff for you. are they skating on ice, do they shoot a puck, do they hit, does the goalie make saves, ok then it\'s frickin hockey.

i think you maybe need to watch a little more variety of hockey instead of just watching your team play. we are continously being poked at for our programs and the players we develop. or maybe you need to read between the lines more. why is it you think that Maguire is continously saying \"thats canadian skill\" or they made such a big deal about 2 americans going first int the draft or they were just whining a couple years ago about how many non-canadians were in the top of the leaderboard at the end of the season. simple, we are the benchmark of what hockey players are and we always will be, it\'s our game.

as for the international thing, sweden may be ranked #1 but anyone anywhere knows that when it comes right down to it canada has the best players in the world. why do you think they have different sized rinks from ours because its one of the few ways that they cud change the game to give themselves a slight advantage without changing the game entirely otherwise they wouldve just made all the rinks the same when they borrowed our game to play over there.

i don\'t have any resentment at all. i\'m a proud canadian who loves his hockey. i dont care if it\'s men, juniors, women or whatever. as long as theyre playing i cud care less. i\'d be just as happy to see hockey played all year long and if that means that i have to watch a total domination of one team after i havent seen any hockey for a couple months so be it. if i do recall before this tournament started all the talk i heard was how the russians are sending their best players and they wanted to compete against us and they have such fond memories of the summit series and there is still celebrations 35 yrs later of that tournament and bla bla. someone should have told the players on their team just how important it was to their people to, maybe they would have showed up or maybe it was just the fact that after being up by 2 goals in game one and then losing the game they fell into the same trap that any and every team thats ever been swept does, they stopped believing in themselves.

like i said before, if you dont like it and cant stand to watch it, flip the channel cause if you think your gonna come and bash them for playing like true canadians and giving there all and not expect someone to have something to say about it your dreaming. oh, i still dont understand what you were talking about what team exactly is that. i\'m also curious, your not one of these closet fans who likes to cheer when theyre doing good and then hides when the chips are down are you? this is our sport, we made it and its ours to be proud of no matter what the circumstances. try showing a little respect.

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Protect- roster:18 + prospects:7
F- Tavares, M.Richards, Lecavalier, Kovalchuk, Horton, Hossa, Purcell, Hartnell, Pominville, Simmonds
D- Doughty, Hedman, Boyle, Meszaros, Wideman
G- Fleury, Halak, Vokoun


Prospects-
F- Bowman, Coyle, Adam, Zibenajad, Geoffrion
D- Savard, Wishart
G- Hackett, Jones

dam, double post srry

Post edited by: 87Flyer, at: 2007/09/05 15:06

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Protect- roster:18 + prospects:7
F- Tavares, M.Richards, Lecavalier, Kovalchuk, Horton, Hossa, Purcell, Hartnell, Pominville, Simmonds
D- Doughty, Hedman, Boyle, Meszaros, Wideman
G- Fleury, Halak, Vokoun


Prospects-
F- Bowman, Coyle, Adam, Zibenajad, Geoffrion
D- Savard, Wishart
G- Hackett, Jones

i can easily go to an ohl game (colts) every week if i want to. it\'s not as though it\'s expensive.

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87Flyer wrote:
There are plenty of local opportunities for you to see young people play hockey. In my hometown, which is quite small, there is an international bamtam tournament, for example, that gets teams from all over Russia and Eastern Europe. If you choose not to keep up with amateur hockey on your own, that\'s not anyone else\'s problem. Summers also have the World Cup of hockey from time to time, as well as other tournaments and exhibitions.

87Flyer wrote:
i will ignore your rudeness and just state that when you commemorate something, you should make an effort for it to be worthy of the original event, which this certainly isn\'t.

87Flyer wrote:
do you really believe this xenophobic nonsense?

87Flyer wrote:
actually, my father coaches women\'s hockey at the university level, so yes, I do consider them to be hockey players. but please, continue to make assumptions about me and what I think. I don\'t see why your post has become so personal and rude.

87Flyer wrote:
i\'m sorry that i don\'t subscribe to the same paranoid, everyone-is-out-to-get-Canada hockey newsletter that you seem to be reading - where can I send away for it?

87Flyer wrote:
Again, what is up with the xenophobia? Why is it so terrible that other nations have hockey players as talented as our own? I can\'t believe this \"the rinks are bigger so they can have an advantange\" bs, it\'s called an Olympic sized rink. The only reason NHL rinks are smaller is so they can cram more seats into the arena and make more money. You ARE aware of that right?

As someone who actually played hockey in Europe in high school, I can tell you that the larger sized rinks are very nice to skate on. As a defenseman though, I didn\'t like those wide lanes to my outside


87Flyer wrote:
i think it says a lot about sportsmanship that their nation still celebrates a tournament they lost, and that their team has played with discipline despite getting blown out both on the ice and in the series.

87Flyer wrote:
I didn\'t bash any of the Canadian players or coaches. I don\'t know what you are talking about. The entire discussion has been about how the series is uncompetitive and embarrassing. I am not like you and I don\'t want to see Canada win 8-1 for eternity, especially when it\'s kids playing kids. We are different people with different opinions.

87Flyer wrote:
I\'m talking about the post lockout team that was composed of flat footed veterans who could no longer compete at the necessary level. That team was a mistake and caused a lot of embarrassment for Gretzky at Hockey Canada. I don\'t know if you recall, but many people wanted him out of the program as they perceived he loaded the team with personal favourites (Shane Doan) and left a lot of talented kids behind (Eric Staal). I am not one of those people, but I do believe that the team was not properly put together due to the rules regarding roster selection dates and the effects of the lockout.

I don\'t understand why you feel the need to question my \"patriotism\", intelligence, or personal morality just because we disagree on something on a hockey board. You ask me to \"show a little respect\" but I receive none from you in return.

Post edited by: repenttokyo, at: 2007/09/05 16:57

it\'s really quite simple actually, the respect factor. if you were showing respect rather than looking to throw a dig or two in there you probably wouldn\'t take part of my post, blow it up with a nice big quote square and then proceed to pick what i think or feel apart. if you wanted to voice your opinion thats all you had to do. instead you decided you were going to take what i said and turn it into your own argument. did i take your post and disect it with critisicsm, nope. i put my 2 cents in wether it was right or wrong, it was mine, you decided you\'d use it for your own. next time think before you decide to take someone else\'s words and proceed to bash them with it. pretty simple actually. you don\'t ctitisize me and i don\'t do it to you. this isn\'t the first time and i\'m sure won\'t be the last that you have taken the polar opposite of a post i have written. thats just the way it goes, you can\'t see eye to eye with everyone. but if you want to sling mud then you best expect to have some thrown back your way.

now go back thru this thread and tell me how many of my comments you see that have a quotation box around them, none until you decided you wanted to take a poke, u start it, i\'m game for it. i don\'t tend to insult people by centreing out there comments until it has been done to me, i find that rude, insulting and condescending so if you want to play like that be ready for whats coming back.

i\'d also like to commend you on such brilliant words that you use, making me get the dictionary out just so that i can understand an intellectual such as yourself is such a joy. btw are you rdy for the pool, not quite set here but i\'m hoping to be by the time it gets here. i\'ll be looking forward to your next comment, i\'m sure it will be just as grand as the last, try to use some smaller words tho please it wud be much appreciated, tc.

Post edited by: 87Flyer, at: 2007/09/06 02:29

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H2H Points
Protect- roster:18 + prospects:7
F- Tavares, M.Richards, Lecavalier, Kovalchuk, Horton, Hossa, Purcell, Hartnell, Pominville, Simmonds
D- Doughty, Hedman, Boyle, Meszaros, Wideman
G- Fleury, Halak, Vokoun


Prospects-
F- Bowman, Coyle, Adam, Zibenajad, Geoffrion
D- Savard, Wishart
G- Hackett, Jones