In a one-year league, considering your scoring categories, here\'s my ranking:

Knuble... IF he stays healthy and on the top line. If you have doubts, move him down.

Gionta... he will miss Gomez.

Doan... +/- will be brutal. Good G and PIMs though.

Ryder... his dismal +/- keeps him from ranking higher

Murray... on the decline

... ... ... ...

Kovalev... as mentioned earlier, this guy\'s a bum.

Post edited by: raffi, at: 2007/08/29 02:49

Thanks for the advice. If anyone\'s curious, I took Gionta, Knuble went 2 picks later, Doan 2 picks after that.

lanky522 wrote:
Kovalev was -19 last year with 78 PIM
Doan was -14 with with 73 PIM

I expect Doan +/- to get worst this year, Kovalev better (Souray and Aebisher are gone after all). I don\'t see Doan getting more points than last year at all. Maybe frustration of losing will boost his PIM though.

promethee wrote:
why would you think that

1) montreal will have a better plus minus this year? They won\'t score more that\'s for sure, and souray wasn\'t the cause of every even strength goal.

2) phoenix will have a bad plus/minus this year? They added goaltending and didn\'t lose any defenders (have one of the best defensive cores in the league), and they added mueller (who will put points up and is responsible on the backcheck), and york (who\'s played with the isles for the majority of the last 2 seasons and one of the best defensive/discipline coaches in the nhl in nolan).

Phoenix\'s +/- will be the same or slightly better than it was last year. Montreal did add hamerlik, but they still have zero defensive minded forwards on the team. They also just don\'t score much even strength when goals count for +/-.

Also, i think that kovalev scoring 60 points is extremely generous to say the least.

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12 Team Dynasty League w/ Salary Cap (Updated: 3/23/2011)
(CBS Sports Commissioner's League)
Maximum Salary Cap: 70.5 million
Roster Limit(s):
Total: 23 + 2 available IR slot
Active: C, C, C, W, W, W, W, D, D, D, D, G, G
23 + 1 Man Roster (69.62 million) - 17 Keepers
- Crosby (IR), Carter, Tavares, Duchene, Anisimov, Desharnais
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- Green, Phaneuf, Doughty, Letang, Carlson, Karlsson
- Price, Halak, Neuvirth, Varlamov
Scoring Setup: W, L, GA, Saves, SO
G, A, PIM, PPG, PPA, SHG, SHA, SOG, GWG, HT, FOW

lanky522 wrote:
Post edited by: Promethee, at: 2007/08/29 11:17

I wouldn\'t rely on samsonov, smo, and the young guys to make an incredible impact during even strength. As far as kovalev is concerned, he\'s stedily declined in production since he left pittsburgh... what signs point to him bouncing back? None that I\'ve seen... he\'s russian and he doesn\'t give a sh*t, he never really has.

Why are you trashing aebischer? His stats (w-l and save %) were almost as good as the other two montreal goalies last season, and he still had a 90.0% save percentage with no defense. I think that he adds a lot to the phoenix situation. He\'s by no means a savior, but he certainly won\'t hurt.

Also, you don\'t need a phenominal goaltender to have a great or even good team plus minus. Gretzky had a pretty good +/- on the oilers despite fuhr hardly ever posting a 90.0+ save percentage... I\'m not saying that phoenix is like the edmonton team, but really, if you play good enough defense, and only allow 19 or so shots a game, it doesn\'t take a patrick roy to keep pucks out of the net.

in the end, debating this is futile, because +/- is one of the hardest things to accurately predict... it\'s so fickle and therefore a rather silly stat to use for our purposes... so if you have to predict it, you pretty much go with what happened last year unless major changes have been made...

neither montreal or phoenix made any major changes, so their plus/minus\' will probably both once again suck.

I do think that the addition of aebischer could increase phoenix\'s player\'s average +/- by 2 or 3 though.

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12 Team Dynasty League w/ Salary Cap (Updated: 3/23/2011)
(CBS Sports Commissioner's League)
Maximum Salary Cap: 70.5 million
Roster Limit(s):
Total: 23 + 2 available IR slot
Active: C, C, C, W, W, W, W, D, D, D, D, G, G
23 + 1 Man Roster (69.62 million) - 17 Keepers
- Crosby (IR), Carter, Tavares, Duchene, Anisimov, Desharnais
- Ovechkin, Giroux, Downie, Hall (LTIR), Tanguay, Samuelsson, Whitney, Justin Williams, Zuccarello
- Green, Phaneuf, Doughty, Letang, Carlson, Karlsson
- Price, Halak, Neuvirth, Varlamov
Scoring Setup: W, L, GA, Saves, SO
G, A, PIM, PPG, PPA, SHG, SHA, SOG, GWG, HT, FOW

There is an interesting article on Fox Sports.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/7160292

Doan scored 27 goals last year with the most consistent assists coming from Reinprecht at 4 (14.8%), even though they seemed to have some chemistry before Reinprecht was injured. What this shows is that Doan creates his own on a team with no support.

Considering the defense is solid in PHX, the goalies are improved and Mueller will no doubt the first talented centreman that Doan has played with in years, I think Doan will have better numbers this year.

I agree with Lanky that a Mon/Phx debate is pointless. Both are weaker teams who will have a poor +/-. I just look at Mon defence vs. Phx and it isn\'t even close.

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