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Old 08-24-2007, 01:27 PM
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1 more thing

when did 29-30 yr olds become old???????????????????????????????????


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Old 08-24-2007, 01:31 PM
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head to head pool does NOT mean total goals pool

sykora-huselius-stastny can compete night in and night out against iggy-crosby-sakic
Yes; on any given night teamA has a chance but by the end of the season teamB is more that likely be far ahead. Not guaranteed, due to variance, but a very good chance.

To assume otherwise is naive.

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Old 08-24-2007, 01:39 PM
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ankleburner wrote:head to head pool does NOT mean total goals pool

sykora-huselius-stastny can compete night in and night out against iggy-crosby-sakic
Yes; on any given night teamA has a chance but by the end of the season teamB is more that likely be far ahead. Not guaranteed, due to variance, but a very good chance.

To assume otherwise is naive.[/quote]

is it really naive???

your wrong


my team had a winning record last year against the guy with kovy-crosby-ovy-heatly-marleau

he finished 3rd for the record and i 5th...3 pts back


in head to head goals pool.....ANY 30 goal scorer is a POSITIVE

why

becasue whether i lose 2-1 or 7-1 against someone, im only down 2 pts



the ovys-kovys etc have a tendency to score hattricks and be rally streaky....

hence why if your team last year has a Straka-Shanny-Penner-J.Blake....it could compete night in night out


in my 10 man head to head goals pool...the BEST team on paper has yet to win EVER


i understand now its becaause your better off with 4 30 plus goal men than you are with 2 40 plus goal men and 2 20 goal scorers


a 4 year old can play in a yearly goals pool

head to head goals pool require more than the obvious
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Old 08-24-2007, 01:50 PM
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YEAR OF THE FISH

EXPLAIN TO ME THIS

in rd 1 playoffs(takes plce reg season) last year team 1 ELIMINATED team 2

team 1

getzlaf
j.staal
langkow
r.whitney
n.horton
m.michalek
afinogenov
pm bouchard
c.perry
t.ruutu
l.nagy
zherdev


team 2

heatly
ovy
kovalchuk
heatly
vanek
sakic
marleau
zubrus
savard
hartnell
p. bergeron
j.carter




LOL!!!!!!!!!


this is how head to head goals pools work


if one can be fortunat enough to acquire a heatly or vanek or ovy in a draft or CHEAP...than take him

but why sacrifice your solid DEPTH for a NAME

goals not Names win in head to head goals pools

to believ otherwise is naive
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Old 08-24-2007, 01:55 PM
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my team had a winning record last year against the guy with kovy-crosby-ovy-heatly-marleau
I\'d argue that you are using results based thinking... besides, in your h-t-h league the variance of \"big game\" players will average out somewhat across the week and across the roster.

H-2-H is far from upset free (esp with playoffs) but having the better team does help...
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Old 08-24-2007, 01:59 PM
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ankleburner wrote:
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YEAR OF THE FISH

EXPLAIN TO ME THIS

this is how head to head goals pools work
What if you rerun that game again, 2x or even 3x times... would you not bet on team 2?

I\'ll try and use poker (texas hold\'em) as an example. Would you rather have pocket aces or kings? You\'d take the aces obviously. They aren\'t guaranteed to win but in the long run you\'ll be ahead if you always get the aces instead of kings.
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Old 08-24-2007, 02:13 PM
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Ok, just to clarify something ankleburner, Just cause it happened once, doesnt mean it is going to happen again. Even if one team is stacked for talent, but couldnt win your pool last year, doesnt mean its going to happen again. They better team will come out on top, it jsut may take some time for all of the fluke games to get out of the way. It is naive to expect that Sykora/Stastny/Huselius will comptete at any level in any pool as top3 skaters on the team.

Back to the original quesiton, Trade sykora for sure, his value may be high now, but if you can get a cherry/kane/mueller etc... THeir production in a couple of years will make you very happy that you didnt hang onto that 70 pt (when hes on a top line) player.
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Old 08-24-2007, 02:56 PM
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Ok, just to clarify something ankleburner, Just cause it happened once, doesnt mean it is going to happen again. Even if one team is stacked for talent, but couldnt win your pool last year, doesnt mean its going to happen again. They better team will come out on top, it jsut may take some time for all of the fluke games to get out of the way. It is naive to expect that Sykora/Stastny/Huselius will comptete at any level in any pool as top3 skaters on the team.

Back to the original quesiton, Trade sykora for sure, his value may be high now, but if you can get a cherry/kane/mueller etc... THeir production in a couple of years will make you very happy that you didnt hang onto that 70 pt (when hes on a top line) player.

i respect your opinion typo...however.....that stacked team i mentioned...has been knocked out rd 2 or earlier the last 2 years and has never finished higher than 2nd

my point is this and this only

in a head to head goals pool....common sense dictates that you want the highest goal scorers possible

but

the BEAUTY of head to head goals pool is that a solid deep team can and will easily compete against a stacked top end team

my head to head has 12 forwards with 10 teams...thats 120 forwards

8 dress weekly and we play 3 games(i explained the format above)

i have a guy whos been REBUILDING for 3 years now.....but heres the problem

he just traded frolov and semin for j staal and getzlaf

THATS NUTS:woohoo:

i mean....arent semin and frolov peaking????

too much is put into rebuilding....in a head to head goals pool you need 3 prospects tops...the rest...goal scorers(rolston,tucker,blake,ryder etc)

rebuild and what??

compete against the guy with heater,crosby,vanek,ovy???????????


i would be rebuilding for years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks BUT no thanks

i play to compete on an annual basis

i thank the rebuild guys for their $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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Old 08-24-2007, 03:01 PM
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ankleburner,

i think what fish and typo are trying to say is that the odds are stacked against you with your team vs the ovy team. and i have to agree as well.

are you trying to say that if you had the choice to pick between your team and the ovy team, you would pick the stastny team? i would have to say you are nuts if you would.

i find it hard to believe that with that team you have won money especially in a leaugue with the two other teams mentioned. does your pool need any more people? i would like to join!

question how much money is on the line in your pool and how much have you won from all these rebuilding guys?
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Old 08-24-2007, 03:02 PM
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YearOfTheFish wrote:
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ankleburner wrote:
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my team had a winning record last year against the guy with kovy-crosby-ovy-heatly-marleau
I\'d argue that you are using results based thinking... besides, in your h-t-h league the variance of \"big game\" players will average out somewhat across the week and across the roster.

H-2-H is far from upset free (esp with playoffs) but having the better team does help...
of course having the better team helps...

but what is the better team??????????????

no good having top end stacked if your bottom end blows

30 goal men will beat em every time when it counts

i would argue that onemust forget the hype and having the \'value\' team on paper

when really

simply put goals win....irregardless of whos scoring them

8 30 goal scorers COMPETE with the 4 40 goal scorers and 4 20 goal scorers every time

think about it

in the end

1 has a gritty 240 goals

the other has a flashy 240 goals

they all count:whistle:
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