A trade in one of my leagues. Is it VETO material?

Pavel Datsyuk
Martin St.Louis
Karri Ramo
Dan Paille
for:
Evgeni Malkin
Martin Havlat
2008 1st rd Entry(conditional to Ramo playing 10 games) else 2008 2nd rd
2009 2nd rd

Background
Salary cap keeper - 30 teams
Active roster (19)- 12 forwards 6 defensemen, 1 goaltender. All players count against the cap. These are mandatory for each team.
Bench Roster (11)- Any 11 players. All players count against the cap.
Prospect Roster (30)- Anyone matching prospect eligibility criteria
IR: We will use 3 IR spots

League playoff matches NHL playoffs so good players on good teams are worth more

Scoring

Forwards
G: 25
A: 25
PIMs: 5
PPG: 15
SHG: 20
OTG: 15
GWG: 25
HTRK: 50
+/-: +/- 10
GP: 2
SHGWG: 150

Defense
Same as Forward except: 50 pts for goal.

Goalies
W: 50
OTL: 10
SO: 100
PIMs: 3
G: 200
A: 50
GP: 3
SAVES: 2
GA: -15

Based on last season\'s stats approximate scoring was:
Pavel Datsyuk - 3048pts (38.58pts/gp)
Martin St.Louis - 3439pts (41.94pts/gp)

Evgeni Malkin - 3106pts (39.82pts/gp)
Martin Havlat - 1927pts (34.41pts/gp)

Please weigh in. All opinions welcome.

Post edited by: WhatThePuck?, at: 2007/08/14 15:40

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I\'m of the opinion that vetos should be used sparingly -- only when collusion is obvious. This doesn\'t seem to fit the bill. So I\'d say there is no veto necessary.

On what grounds are you suggesting this trade is veto-able?

By posting the player pts from 06/07, you seem to be saying that the Malkin/Havlat side is being stacked.

If you\'re using real NHL salaries, I would probably favour the side *getting* Malkin/Havlat since there\'s a huge salary dump - Datsyuk/St.Louis = 12.7M vs Malkin/Havlat = 6.9M. It actually looks like the Datsyuk/St.Louis owner is trying to save cap room, selling high on St. Louis and buying low on Havlat.

Without any evidence of collusion, I don\'t think this trade should be blocked.

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$300 cap auction for 2 of each IF,1UT,5OF,3SP,2RP,4P + 10 reserves
Auction 25 player starting rosters + 10 round draft of $1 players
6x5 (add OPS)
C - AJ.Ellis,VMart,Grandal
1b - Hosmer,Konerko,Dunn,Moreland
2b - Kipnis,M.Ellis
3b - Beltre,Seager,Donaldson
SS - Segura,D.Espinosa,N.Franklin
UT - Bautista
OF - N.Cruz,BJ.Upton,Morse,Stubbs,Crisp,McLouth
SP - Lester,Shields,Darvish,Medlen,Lohse,Niese,Pettite, Beachy,Kazmir
RP - Kimbrel,Nathan,League,Valverde

I agree, this trade seems more like a salary dump then anything. Also it seems pretty even (although that depends on Havlat\'s Health). Personally I wouldn\'t veto this

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12 Team H2H - Keep 7 + 3(Farm)
G,A,P,+/-,PPP,GWG,SOG.W,Sv%,GAA,SHO
Centers:
N. Backstrom, R. Kesler
LWs:
A. Ovechkin, M. Cammalleri
RWs:
C. Perry
D:
S. Weber
G:
P. Rinne
Farm:
M. Neuvirth, N. Filatov, S. Shirokov

I don\'t think this trade can be classified as \"veto-able\"..

St.Louis and Datsyuk for Malkin and Havlat is a very good deal I would think. I would rather be on the Malkin/Havlat side just because of the chance to get Malkin. St.Louis will be long gone and Havlat and Malkin will still be putting up huge numbers..
Z..

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QStar wrote:
Thanks for the reminder. The League uses actually NHL salaries for that year & not Salary cap hits. That means in our League guys like Kimmo Timonen eat $8,0000,000 of this year\'s salary cap but only $3,000,000 in 2012-13. The Datsyuk/St.Louis owner was over the cap & did need to lose salary to get under the cap which is the same as the NHL.

Thanks for the input

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WhatThePuck? wrote:
UPDATE:
The League would not allow conditional picks so the deal is now:
Pavel Datsyuk
Martin St.Louis
Karri Ramo
Dan Paille
for:
Evgeni Malkin
Martin Havlat
2008 1st rd Entry

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unless there is proof that the owners are friends and one is obviously giving away studs for duds trades should not be vetoed.as far as this trade , in one word MALKIN , who ever ends up with him wins hands down.

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LW - Malkin
LW - J. Skinner
LW - T. Ennis
LW - Conacher
LW - Raymond
C - Matthias
C - M. Richards
C - V. Filppula
C - Vermette
RW - B. Schenn
RW - M. Read
RW - J. Huberdeau
RW - M. Gaborik
Def. - Pietrangelo
Def. - B. Smith
Def. - Diaz
Def. - OEL
Def. - Stoner
G - Louongo
G - Markstrom
G - Neuvirth

still thinks its a fine deal, not that id make it myself but for veto possibilities, no chance. even in a salary dump situation the guy with malkin isn\'t thinking properly. i\'d prolly dump the rest of my team first and i can\'t stand the guy(srry but as a flyer fan it\'s my duty to hate all penguins especially after last year lol).

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H2H Points
Protect- roster:18 + prospects:7
F- Tavares, M.Richards, Lecavalier, Kovalchuk, Horton, Hossa, Purcell, Hartnell, Pominville, Simmonds
D- Doughty, Hedman, Boyle, Meszaros, Wideman
G- Fleury, Halak, Vokoun


Prospects-
F- Bowman, Coyle, Adam, Zibenajad, Geoffrion
D- Savard, Wishart
G- Hackett, Jones

Is this deal that lopsided & who wins this deal?
Pavel Datsyuk
Martin St.Louis
Karri Ramo
Dan Paille

for:

Evgeni Malkin
Martin Havlat
2008 1st rd Entry

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