Man, I'm starting to think you guys picking Gallagher are right. I hope this season isn't just a flash in the pan with a hot Montreal team. He's really racking up SOG/PIM and now getting PP time though.

Grigorenko definitely seems like a boom/bust prospect. If he does break out I think it will take him a few years. He's got a long way to go to excel in the NHL. He definitely seems like he isn't very noticeable at this point but things can change with a summer of conditioning and improvement in speed.

I asked the same question at HFBoards and everyone ranked Gallagher the lowest. Interesting to see it the other way around here.

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We can talk about Gallagher's play and compare him to Gionta as much as we want, but if we're ranking these guys its ALL about UPSIDE.

Grigorenko
Silfverberg
Gallagher

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Well, in terms of raw skill UPSIDE, I certainly can't argue with your ranking. But if we're ranking based on what we see, know, and instinctively feel about these guys, the list could be different, and is for me.

Skill is wonderful, and the most important attribute when considering a player a super star, but without heart, it is often wasted.

Put Alex Semin and Jonathan Toews in a rink by themselves, toss out a puck and have them play a meaningless game and Semin will probably win and wow you in the process. But who would you choose as a player in both real life and fantasy?

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You're right that Gallagher is the play for short term, without a doubt. I just feel that the potential long term value of Silfverberg and Grigorenko is worth waiting on as opposed to picking Gallagher first. I will admit that I'm not a huge fan of Grigorenko, but the upside is there. I do like Silfverberg and I think he will bust out eventually after a slow start. I mean I'd rather take a scorer over a guy that plays like Brian Gionta or Ryan Callahan.

You do make a good point though and I respect your opinion.

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The argument that Grigorenko has no heart seems tired and lazy to me. He played through ankle and foot injuries last season, plus mono. I don't know how many of you have had mono before but it's terrible.... I couldn't even get out of bed for a week, let alone play in a Quebec league playoff series, and my case was fairly minor. It's not unheard of for people to be bedridden for a month with mono. The fact he gritted through and played showed a lot to me.

He then went on to dominate the Q this year... It's to be expected from a high pick in his post draft year, but he did it which many players can't say they did. He was his teams best player at the WJC and led his team to a medal, and he made the NHL as an 18 year old. What more does he have to do to get rid of the "no heart" moniker? Win a Stanley Cup by himself? More likely he just needed to not be born in Russia.

I take Grigorenko every single time from these 3 players... He is head and shoulders above the other two.

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I completely agree with the above statement. As far as I'm concerned this is not even close. If Grig's passport was from any other nation we would not be having this conversation about his heart. I would be willing to bet at the end of there careers his PPG is .25 higher then either of these guys.

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I have Grigs 3rd and it has nothing to do with heart.

If Grig's passport was from Canada we wouldn't have to worry about it

I'm pretty sure nobody here even mentioned heart so far in this thread until you did. Furthermore, since when did last years QMJHL playoffs come into this? I've seen Grigs play a number of times, this year, last year and not just during last years playoffs (which everyone seems to be burrying their head in the sand and using as a catch-all excuse for why he was drafted where he was). I'd wager I've seen him play more than most people on these boards and I have come away with the same bad feeling about him too many times for me to say he'll become a star with any level of confidence. Sure he put up good numbers to begin the year, but as you aptly pointed out, we should have expected nothing less from a mid 1st rounder on a very good team.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you're happy with Kovalev-esque production then you might get what you're looking for in Grigs but to suggest that he's head and shoulders above these others implies that you see him being one of the top players in the league and I'll wager against that every day of the week.