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Old 03-13-2013, 11:45 AM
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Yes, congratulations are in order here. I'm sure your quality of life has already improved. The difference is immediately noticeable.

As for Muzzin, I'm watching. I like that he's 4 years further along in his development than Hamilton, and that he's getting some prime minutes. He was dropped yesterday so he may go on a waiver claim. Not sure I'm ready to use a high waiver priority AND give up Hamilton for him yet at this point, but I'm considering.
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Yes, congratulations are in order here. I'm sure your quality of life has already improved. The difference is immediately noticeable.

As for Muzzin, I'm watching. I like that he's 4 years further along in his development than Hamilton, and that he's getting some prime minutes. He was dropped yesterday so he may go on a waiver claim. Not sure I'm ready to use a high waiver priority AND give up Hamilton for him yet at this point, but I'm considering.
I wouldn't just yet. I think they are at the same number of games played with like one or two points separating them. This is a nice run from Muzzin but we know how that goes for defensemen. I think Voynov was the hot guy in LA last week. Seems like it's everyone but Doughty, which would've been a great 80's sitcom but let's not get sidetracked. I just don't think you blow something like a waiver claim AND Hamilton just to take a shot at the flavour of the week. You want your flavour to be solving a problem for you and I don't think Hamilton has been a problem.
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I haven't dropped Green yet, stashed him on my IR.

As for Muzzin - I'm not sold yet.
Head over to NHL.com and watch his 5 goals.
Just click "video".

Muzzin is consistently flicking things on net. It's not even a clean shot often, seems to go end-over-end sometimes. He likes to put it high corners - which has been working.
Yup, it's going to go in occasionally... and his 5 goals on 35 shots translates to a 14% shooting percentage, which puts him top 10 among defensemen. Sustainable - nope.
Typically, defensemen (not named Karlsson) who are mostly releasing points-shots will score at about 5%. An excellent lucky season for defensemen will come in around 10%. (Kronwall, Garrison last year)

Muzzin is also playing mostly the left D spot and he's a left-handed shot, which isn't ideal angle for a scoring defenseman.

I think he's had several seeing eye pucks.
I will say that he appears to have a good hockey-sense at avoiding an approaching defender and using their body as a screen. Is this really his intention though?

Overall, from playing hockey growing up - I never remember a coach that was fond of seeing his defensemen shooting for upper corners from the point. Very few rebounds.

I don't know... he looks a little bit "clunky" out there.
I'll be surprised if long-term he's better than the wonky Mike Green.
We'll see.

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While I don't have Green to drop (thank God)... I'm just not ready to anoint this kid yet. But I expect to see more in Stud's and Dud's and various other critique articles. I wait to be convinced on or off the ice!
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While I don't have Green to drop (thank God)... I'm just not ready to anoint this kid yet. But I expect to see more in Stud's and Dud's and various other critique articles. I wait to be convinced on or off the ice!
That's why I'm preaching caution to anyone seeking to drop someone productive for Muzzin.
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I haven't dropped Green yet, stashed him on my IR.

As for Muzzin - I'm not sold yet.
Head over to NHL.com and watch his 5 goals.
Just click "video".

Muzzin is consistently flicking things on net. It's not even a clean shot often, seems to go end-over-end sometimes. He likes to put it high corners - which has been working.
Yup, it's going to go in occasionally... and his 5 goals on 35 shots translates to a 14% shooting percentage, which puts him top 10 among defensemen. Sustainable - nope.
Typically, defensemen (not named Karlsson) who are mostly releasing points-shots will score at about 5%. An excellent lucky season for defensemen will come in around 10%. (Kronwall, Garrison last year)

Muzzin is also playing mostly the left D spot and he's a left-handed shot, which isn't ideal angle for a scoring defenseman.

I think he's had several seeing eye pucks.
I will say that he appears to have a good hockey-sense at avoiding an approaching defender and using their body as a screen. Is this really his intention though?

Overall, from playing hockey growing up - I never remember a coach that was fond of seeing his defensemen shooting for upper corners from the point. Very few rebounds.

I don't know... he looks a little bit "clunky" out there.
I'll be surprised if long-term he's better than the wonky Mike Green.
We'll see.
You'll note that I said from the outset that I don't see Muzzin as a long term solution. The only real long term solution was finally severing the "but he was my first round pick in the inaugural draft" cord that I had been hanging myself with waiting for Green these past three years. Good riddance.

And to be fair if this league had more than two IR spots and I didn't already have Karlsson, Spezza and Ward fighting over those spots I would have stashed Green. But two dead spots on the roster is too many when fighting for a championship. I'm currently in second but by a fair ways off after a couple of narrow losses since the injuries really hit. I need to hold onto a top two spot to get that ever-important first round bye and if I can nab the "President's Trophy" in this league that's worth my entry fee so there are serious short-term implications with scuttling Green.

Finally, I offered him around the league. Green was so repulsive to them they made me wear a full body condom before even asking.
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I haven't dropped Green yet, stashed him on my IR.

As for Muzzin - I'm not sold yet.
Head over to NHL.com and watch his 5 goals.
Just click "video".

Muzzin is consistently flicking things on net. It's not even a clean shot often, seems to go end-over-end sometimes. He likes to put it high corners - which has been working.
Yup, it's going to go in occasionally... and his 5 goals on 35 shots translates to a 14% shooting percentage, which puts him top 10 among defensemen. Sustainable - nope.
Typically, defensemen (not named Karlsson) who are mostly releasing points-shots will score at about 5%. An excellent lucky season for defensemen will come in around 10%. (Kronwall, Garrison last year)

Muzzin is also playing mostly the left D spot and he's a left-handed shot, which isn't ideal angle for a scoring defenseman.

I think he's had several seeing eye pucks.
I will say that he appears to have a good hockey-sense at avoiding an approaching defender and using their body as a screen. Is this really his intention though?

Overall, from playing hockey growing up - I never remember a coach that was fond of seeing his defensemen shooting for upper corners from the point. Very few rebounds.

I don't know... he looks a little bit "clunky" out there.
I'll be surprised if long-term he's better than the wonky Mike Green.
We'll see.
Great observations here, thanks.
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Finally, I offered him around the league. Green was so repulsive to them they made me wear a full body condom before even asking.
I drafted Green all the way in round 19 of an inaugural league where we play 6D, thinking its worth a shot. However he so frustrating to own, I packaged him in a deal for Phaneuf (when he had 1 pt all season). Biggest weight off my shoulders ever.
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