I'd be giving up Parise. Am I crazy for thinking this may be an okay deal for me? I'm thinking about my keepers for next year and I have forward depth but not a lot of d-depth, so may be looking to make some moves.

So far this year OEL has 58 fantasy points, and Parise has 47, so even though Parise is the big name OEL is no slouch in my league.

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16 Team Keeper League, Year Three Head to Head. Keep 8. Potential Future Keepers in Bold

F (Start 6): Neal, Parise, Benn, P Kane, Simmonds, Lecavalier, Doan, Wheeler, Boyes
D (Start 4): Pietrangelo, Campbell, J. Johnson, Leddy, Fowler, Faulk, Whitney
G (Start 1): Lundqvist

Point System
G=2, A=1, DefenseG=+1, DefenseA=+1, GWG=1, OTG=1, PIM=0.5, PPG=1, PPA=1, PenaltyShotG=1, SHG=2, ShootOutG=1, Shot=0.1, +/-=1, Hat Trick=3

Goalie Points
W=4, S= 0.14, GA=-1, OW=1, ShootOutW =1, SO=2

Sorry, I don't mean to derail, but where do you go to check for fantasy points? I've been meaning to find this site.


Also, I would be hesitant to trade a big name without a big return. See if you can get more for Parise than just OEL- like maybe OEL and a prospect

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16 team H2H (Keep 20)
Positions - 2C, 2LW, 2RW, 4D, 2G, 1Util, 11 Bench, No Farm (We just keep prospects on the bench)

Scoring Cats
G ,A, +/-, PIM, PPP, SOG, Hits
Wins, Saves, SV%, GAA, SO

Year 1 = 2/16
Year 2 = 13/16
Last year = 4/16

C-Crosby, Lecavalier, Ott (LW), Schwartz, Toffoli,
L-Michalek (RW), Pacrioretty
R- Gallagher, Neil, Read
D- Markov, Rielly, Hamilton, Dumba, Trouba,
G-Fleury, Bryzgalov, Ward, S.Mason, Enroth,

It's just posted in the stats section of my league through CBS sports. Obviously fantasy points will differ though depending on how your league scoring system is structured.

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16 Team Keeper League, Year Three Head to Head. Keep 8. Potential Future Keepers in Bold

F (Start 6): Neal, Parise, Benn, P Kane, Simmonds, Lecavalier, Doan, Wheeler, Boyes
D (Start 4): Pietrangelo, Campbell, J. Johnson, Leddy, Fowler, Faulk, Whitney
G (Start 1): Lundqvist

Point System
G=2, A=1, DefenseG=+1, DefenseA=+1, GWG=1, OTG=1, PIM=0.5, PPG=1, PPA=1, PenaltyShotG=1, SHG=2, ShootOutG=1, Shot=0.1, +/-=1, Hat Trick=3

Goalie Points
W=4, S= 0.14, GA=-1, OW=1, ShootOutW =1, SO=2

With your D stats, I think I would make this trade. There are less D capable of putting points up like OEL, then there are forwards capable of putting up Parise like points, then when you factor in the way D is scored in your league, suddenly OEL becomes every bit as good as Parise fan point wise, but at a position that isn't as deep. It's a tough trade to make, but I think it's slighty better in favour of you, and I imagine OEL will only continue to grow.

If this is the league in your signature, which I think it is, then points by a defenseman are weighted - a G by a defenseman is worth 3 and an assist worth 2 as compared to a forward 2 and 1 respectively.

My CBS league is defense weighted. I have OEL and Parise on my team. As of today, OEL is the 7th ranked defenseman and is nearly 20 pool points ahead of Parise. I don't know that I would accept Parise straight up for OEL. To illustrate how weighting impacts comparison - Malkin has 691 pool points in my league last year. Stamkos 647. Karlsson has 644. The 4th highest pool point total was Neal at 579. Stamkos had an elite season by all standards (60 goals, nearly 100 points) and yet he finished only 3 pool points ahead of Karlsson.

If your league has some knowledgeable GMs, OEL is a known commodity, and is going to command a very high price. He is having the breakout many believed was coming and likely will make Yandle expendable at some point for the Yotes. OEL is more competent defensively and has all the skills to be an elite #1 defenseman for a long time.

Parise and all of MIN has struggled in an unexpected fashion this season. Sometimes there is an adjustment factor that poolies don't account for when free agents move to a new team.

If this swap got offered to you, I would accept. I think there is still room for growth by OEL, though elite offensive numbers may be somewhat hard to come by with the current compliment of players in PHX.

Still if/when OEL has a 55-60 point season, he will likely outproduce in Parise in your league. Factor in the age difference and this swings it further into OEL's favor.

It is hard to evaluate everything about this trade as we don't know the roster of the other team and their needs, but I think with Parise's current value this is a legit swap in a defense weighted league.

Best of luck.

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League #1
Dyn Points (14 tms) 12F, 6D, 2G, 8B; unl farm; Scoring: G(1) A(1) Shootout G(1) PIM(.1) +/-(.2) SOG(.05) W(2) SO(3)

League #2
Dyn H2H Points (16 tm) - 6F 4D 1G 7B farm 10 (50 gms) Scoring SOG(.3) +/-(1) Hit (.2) GWG(1) PIM(.5) W(10) S(.2) GA (-1) SO (5) F: G(5), A(3), PPG(3), PPA(2) SHG(3) SHA(2) D: G(7) A(5) PPG(3) PPA(3) SHG(3) SHA(2)

I'd accept it but I'd make sure to check out with the other GMs if you can't get something ore just because Parisé has a ``name``. BTW what position are you in your pool? Becaue this trade might hurt you for this season.

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6 teams, keeper, 12 Forwards, 6 Dmen, 2 Goalies and 5 Benched.
Points only (2 for goals by Dmen)
Limit of 3 seasons per player and salary cap of 93M.

Names in red are on their third seasons

F: Neal, Kadri, Hodgson, Backstrom, Conacher, Ribeiro, Hall, Zetterberg, Patrick Kane, Tavares, Kessel, Duchene
D: Boyle, Kronwall, Pietrangelo, Subban, Weber, OEL
G: Smith, Howard
B: Tarasenko, Muzzin,Enstrom, Bobrovsky

Awesome repsonses, thanks guys. Reps given!

You've basically stated what I was thinking in my head of why it's a good move for me to make. Still a tough decision though, and I actually just chatted with the other GM - he's interested but hesitant right now, so I don't even know if he would go for this.

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16 Team Keeper League, Year Three Head to Head. Keep 8. Potential Future Keepers in Bold

F (Start 6): Neal, Parise, Benn, P Kane, Simmonds, Lecavalier, Doan, Wheeler, Boyes
D (Start 4): Pietrangelo, Campbell, J. Johnson, Leddy, Fowler, Faulk, Whitney
G (Start 1): Lundqvist

Point System
G=2, A=1, DefenseG=+1, DefenseA=+1, GWG=1, OTG=1, PIM=0.5, PPG=1, PPA=1, PenaltyShotG=1, SHG=2, ShootOutG=1, Shot=0.1, +/-=1, Hat Trick=3

Goalie Points
W=4, S= 0.14, GA=-1, OW=1, ShootOutW =1, SO=2

I'm currently in 1st place so it could hurt, but our pool has a history of the 1st place team never winning anyway haha, so maybe if I did drop a bit it wouldn't be too bad.

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16 Team Keeper League, Year Three Head to Head. Keep 8. Potential Future Keepers in Bold

F (Start 6): Neal, Parise, Benn, P Kane, Simmonds, Lecavalier, Doan, Wheeler, Boyes
D (Start 4): Pietrangelo, Campbell, J. Johnson, Leddy, Fowler, Faulk, Whitney
G (Start 1): Lundqvist

Point System
G=2, A=1, DefenseG=+1, DefenseA=+1, GWG=1, OTG=1, PIM=0.5, PPG=1, PPA=1, PenaltyShotG=1, SHG=2, ShootOutG=1, Shot=0.1, +/-=1, Hat Trick=3

Goalie Points
W=4, S= 0.14, GA=-1, OW=1, ShootOutW =1, SO=2

I'd easily say yes to this trade...

OEL is very underrated, and I think he may be another Karlsson in the making - taking a couple years to get going in the league, and then light it up. He's shown flashes, and heck, even this year on a non-offensive PHX team he's putting up respectable stats for a Dman.
Karlsson has/had Spezza, Alfie, Gonchar to feed on the PP and help out... OEL has what, Doan, Hanzal, Boedker, Vrbata? Not bad, but not the skill of the OTT players, that's for sure.

Also, factoring in that you'd be keeping JJ, that makes it even more of a good deal for you. JJ's +/- will never be stellar on CBJ, and it sounds like they don't want to trade him away either, so he might be stuck there a while, haha.



I need help on my thread: http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index...d.php&t=148799

It's a lot to read, but I like to lay out all the details when I can.
A simple "Team A wins" or "Team B wins" would do, but I always like hearing opinions.
Thanks!

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1-Year, 10-Team League
Head-2-Head Scoring; 35 moves for the entire season
G, A, +/-, PPP, SHP, SOG, FW, Hits, Blocked Shots
Wins, GAA, Saves, SV%, Shutouts

C: S.Crosby, R.Kesler, P.Stastny, M.Hanzal, Z.Smith, D.Shore
LW: C.Kunitz, J.Neal (RW), M.Richards (C), B.Dubinsky (C), A.Burrows (RW)
RW: R.Callahan, P.Kessel, J.Franzen (LW) B.Little (C),
D: K.Letang, A.Edler, M.Green, PK Subban, J.Carlson, L.Schenn, Z.Bogosian
G: I.Bryzgalov, K.Lehtonen, C.Schneider, R.Luongo

Roster Spots: 3C / 3LW / 3RW / 5D / 2Util. / 2G / 6BN / 2IR

On top of the 70-80 points that Parise should be scoring, he gains another huge boost from all the shots he takes. I think that's enough reason to want to keep Parise over OEL here.

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16 team, full keeper
19 roster players, 15 prospects
Stats: G, A, PPG, SHG, special teams assists, SOG, FOW, PIM, hits, blocked shots, +/-, W, SO, saves, s%, GAA, shootout saves

C: Crosby, Backstrom, H. Sedin, Boyle, Brassard
W: Voracek, Burrows, McDonald, Filppula, Dorsett, Hudler, Abdelkader, Bouchard, Ott, Zuccarello, Stalberg
D: Karlsson, Letang, Enstrom, Boyle, Giordano, Gorges, M. Stuart
G: Quick, Kiprusoff, Ellis

Prospects: Granlund, Pirri, Caron, Killorn, T. Johnson, Galiev, Corrado, Vatanen, Moore, Rundblad, Bachman, C. Johnson, Desjardins