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Old 03-07-2013, 05:25 AM
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First of all, I'm not taking anything away from what Chicago is doing - it is impressive. It's a feel good story and it gets people talking and perhaps getting more (casual) fans following it a bit more closely. Especially after the shambles of the lockout. I get it.

However, there's all this talk of being unbeaten in regulation when they actually have three losses this season. I know, there's the stupid extra point for going into OT and no longer an option for a tie, but a loss is a loss regardless of whether it's in regulation, in overtime or in the shootout. Some may disagree but this is something that annoys me whenever I hear stats about a team being 'x games unbeaten in regulation' or my favourite 'only one regulation loss in last five games' but their record during that time is 2-1-2 (actually 2-3!).

What do you think?
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:51 AM
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So the flyers 35 game (or close to that cant rem offhand)streak is moot too then?
They had ties too(just no overtime back then).
Not questioning your opinion just saying its basically the samething.
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:04 AM
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No worries, it's all part of the discussion.

I'm not comparing to the time where there are ties - that was the scoring system. Now we have a no tie system, so even though it's in overtime or shootout, either you win or you lose. I know there's an extra point, but I don't agree with giving someone a point when they might end up losing anyway. It leads to some games worth 3 points and others with 2. But that's for another discussion.

Whether a shootout loss could have been a tie is largely irrelevant now. A loss is a loss. That being said, I just checked and all three of their losses were in the shootout so under the old system that would be a tie, so comparable to the Flyers. But now it isn't the same system, it's a loss.

Again, I'm trying not to take anything away from how they're playing - it's really impressive. But when you have it categorised as 'OT/SO loss', then 'unbeaten in regulation' doesn't have as much significance to me as it would otherwise.
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:17 AM
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somewhat agree with your points but its still pretty damn impressive.
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I think that's why a lot of people are just saying points streak. More accurate and less cumbersome to say.
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i agree 100% with horrorfan here. What CHI is doing is great for the game and Chicago itself and i am taking nothing away from that. When that team is wining there is no better sounding arena than that joint, and if i ever get the chance that is one place i wanna see an NHL game.

But they have LOST during thier run. There are so many diferent ways i have heard this spun though:

"Points Streak"
"No-Losses in Regulation Streak"
"Consecutive Games With a Point Streak"

What ever the media has to do to generate intrest i guess. IMO the comparrisons to the Philly streak are valid, however depending on what the streak is actually called, they are not the same.

This is not a "Winning Streak", or "Consecutive Games without a Loss" which i believe is what the Philly streak is (please correct if i am wrong) and for that reason i dont think that the CHI streak can be considered "Record Breaking" if they happen to get there.
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"First of all, I'm not taking anything away from what Chicago is doing"

And then you spend the rest of the post doing just that. Now that's comedy!
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I'm going to respectfully disagree. In the new fancy pants NHL, if regulation is defined as periods 1 through 3... then they don't have a loss in regulation. There's no argument to that.

Although I do like it more when they say Chicago has a 25 game point streak going or whatever. That sounds more official to me.
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"First of all, I'm not taking anything away from what Chicago is doing"

And then you spend the rest of the post doing just that. Now that's comedy!
No I'm not. I recognise they are having a fantastic season so far, regardless on how I feel about this streak is being interpreted.

Glad I added humour to your day.
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I'm going to respectfully disagree. In the new fancy pants NHL, if regulation is defined as periods 1 through 3... then they don't have a loss in regulation. There's no argument to that.

Although I do like it more when they say Chicago has a 25 game point streak going or whatever. That sounds more official to me.
I'm not questioning that they are unbeaten in regulation - of course they are. I'm questioning why is being unbeaten in regulation as significant when at the end of the day you are credited with a loss.
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