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As bad as Phaneuf and Grabner for Karlsson? Wow!
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That song is from "Karlsson på taket" (Karlsson on the roof), written by Astrid Lindgren, the woman who wrote Pippi Longstocking and looooaaaads of other beloved children's stories. I always hated that song because the character was the most annoying, selfish, lying trickster ever.
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To suggest it was "suspicious" is to suggest the potential of intent. I would agree that suspicious isn't the right word. Reckless? Absofreakinlutely.

You can quite easily describe something as "reckless" without it being suspicious. Can something be suspicious and reckless? Of course, but to suggest that something can't be reckless without carrying suspicion just isn't right. Considering something as suspicious, or not, has to be quite subjective, if you ask me.
I know I agreed that we should put the thread to rest, but I'm going to respond to this. You're missing the point of my posts above. Recklessness = intent. It's not the same as specific intent to cut, but it is still a culpable mental element connected to the action that attracts moral blameworthiness. That's simple ethics. If you act in a matter wherein it is obvious to any reasonable person that your action can cause harm, and are recklessness as to whether or not that harm ensues, then you are culpable for whatever harm results. You are not "innocent".

To say it is "suspicious" merely suggests that there is a possibility of either specific intent or the somewhat lesser form of intent known as recklessness.

And yes, I have that suspicion. I've watched the replay many times and it is very possible that he intended to step on Karlsson. Can I prove it? No. That's why I said he shouldn't be punished.

Calling it a "conspiracy theory" was simply a rhetorical tool to dismiss the point without actually considering it on its merits. Perhaps it's an epistomological point, but claiming it was "obviously an accident" in this circumstances is not a statement of fact, but rather a statement of belief.

You can believe it was accident. Hell, the majority of people can. Just don't mistake that as any more than a conclusion of belief based on the available evidence. It is not a statement of absolute truth that allows one to denigrate those who are drawing a different, but still logically permissible, conclusion based on the same evidence.
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Do you guys expect this kind of injury could effect him long term? What's recovery been like with regards to other players that have been injured like this?
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Old 02-16-2013, 01:21 PM
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Do you guys expect this kind of injury could effect him long term? What's recovery been like with regards to other players that have been injured like this?
Excellent question. That is the scariest thing about it. Any medical people on the boards?
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Do you guys expect this kind of injury could effect him long term? What's recovery been like with regards to other players that have been injured like this?
Don't think so, mostly every other player has come back fine, and this wasn't a 100% cut so it's even better. Doctors said nothing should be different post-injury for Karlsson, it was an easy procedure and pretty easy (but long) rehab.
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That song is from "Karlsson på taket" (Karlsson on the roof), written by Astrid Lindgren, the woman who wrote Pippi Longstocking and looooaaaads of other beloved children's stories. I always hated that song because the character was the most annoying, selfish, lying trickster ever.
Yeah I looked it up haha. He is the world's best Karlsson!
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I know I agreed that we should put the thread to rest, but I'm going to respond to this. You're missing the point of my posts above. Recklessness = intent. It's not the same as specific intent to cut, but it is still a culpable mental element connected to the action that attracts moral blameworthiness. That's simple ethics. If you act in a matter wherein it is obvious to any reasonable person that your action can cause harm, and are recklessness as to whether or not that harm ensues, then you are culpable for whatever harm results. You are not "innocent".

To say it is "suspicious" merely suggests that there is a possibility of either specific intent or the somewhat lesser form of intent known as recklessness.

And yes, I have that suspicion. I've watched the replay many times and it is very possible that he intended to step on Karlsson. Can I prove it? No. That's why I said he shouldn't be punished.

Calling it a "conspiracy theory" was simply a rhetorical tool to dismiss the point without actually considering it on its merits. Perhaps it's an epistomological point, but claiming it was "obviously an accident" in this circumstances is not a statement of fact, but rather a statement of belief.

You can believe it was accident. Hell, the majority of people can. Just don't mistake that as any more than a conclusion of belief based on the available evidence. It is not a statement of absolute truth that allows one to denigrate those who are drawing a different, but still logically permissible, conclusion based on the same evidence.
But that's just incorrect. In no way does "recklessness" equal intent. In fact, it's quite the opposite. Recklessness may bridge the gap between accidental and "on purpose", but in now way, shape or form does it suggest intent. In fact, "reckless" is clearly defined as "doing something without caution". Nowhere is it suggested that intent is a part of that, again, it's quite the opposite.
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