What if I focused on Joe Thornton (older but still kick'n).

Move forward with Tavares and Thornton at Center.

Leaves me shallow at LW though.

C - Thornton
LW - Eriksson or L/C Benn
LW - JVR

for

LW - Ovechkin
C - Ribiero
C/R - Carter

Maybe offer up Granlund as well as I couldn't afford to keep him even as a utility as Yakupov and a Third Goalie (Backstrom or Bernier) will likely own that spot.

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Team:
C - Tavares, Getzlaf, Ribeiro, (C/R)
L - Hall, Semin, Macdonald(C/L), Healtey(L/R),
R - Perry, Yakupov, Voracek, Voracek, Williams, Boyes
D - Streit, OEL, Edler, Karlsson, B. Smith, Beauchemin, Seidenberg
G - Rinne, Bryzgalov, Anderson, Bernier, Vokoun
10 Team Keeper league with Yahoo

Roster (14 Kept Players): C, C, LW, LW, RW, RW, D, D, D, D, Util, Util, G, G,

(Weighted Category Points: see below).

Skaters -
(Points: G a/o A) 6
(+/-) 3
(PIM) 1
(PPP) 5
(GWG) 5

Goaltenders
(W) 15
(GA) -10
(SV) 1
(SHO) 15

Everyday these forums see multiple requests for people asking advice on yet another OV trade proposal.

Theres a reason why there are so many trade proposals out there for him. People dont trust him anymore, people are looking to dump him, people simply dont see the value in him anymore.

It reminds me of the time when Crosby went down last year with his concussion issues. Everyone was asking about trade advice for Crosby. Crosby for this guy, Crosby for this package, etc etc etc. Does anyone else notice you rarely see trade advice for Crosby on these forums lately? Its because Crosby is healthy and no one wants to trade him.

If OV was the OV of old, we wouldnt see half the trade questions regarding him that we do. Thats the problem, he isnt the same old OV and until he actually starts to show that he can be that guy again, his value isnt all that great.

For all you OV owners out there, you should have sold him at least a year ago when you could actually get Parise + for him, or Benn+ for him. Today you are selling on name alone, certainly not on fantasy value and hoping you can find someone who will take him based on the numbers he used to offer. I wish you all luck with that.

Parisse
Benn
D. Sedin
Nash
Marleau
Vanek


Stuck with OV? Probably, because like most OV owners, you also still think he's worth more than he actually is in the fantasy world.

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10 Team, Points Only, $$ League, Keep 20/25 at seasons end
25 Man Roster, top 20 monthly point getters count
Goalie points W=2pt L=-1pt SHO=2pt

Stamkos, Tavares, Hall, Couture, Hanzal, Wheeler, Stastny, Versteeg, Fisher, Hornqvist, Eriksson, Hodgson, Setoguchi, Turris, Steen, Letang, DRoy, Yakupov, Grabner, Byfuglien, Baertschi

G-Rask, Halak, Schneider

I don't necessarily disagree with this. As an Ovie owner myself, I've made the decision to ride it out (or go down with the ship) at this point for better or worse. But for those who are considering trading him, I'd be interested in knowing where in your list above you'd slot him such that you'd pull the trigger on a one-for-one deal? For example, I can't imgaine that you'd trade Ovie straight up for Marleau or Vanek, or would you?

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14 Team H2H Dynasty League (14 keepers, 21-man roster, no farm)
G, A, PPP, SOG, BS, +/-, GAA, W, SV%

C: Giroux/B.Richards/Ennis/Cullen/Grigorenko
W: Ovechkin/Neal/Nash/Skinner/Eriksson/Silfverberg/Samuelsson(IR)
D: Doughty/Boyle/Faulk/Seabrook/Martin(IR)/Seidenberg/Brodin
G: Fleury/Markstrom/Lehner/Khudobin

I dont own OV in any of my leagues (thank god) but if I was a Marleau or Vanek owner today, I'd have to think long and hard before I'd trade one of them for OV. In my eyes, all three guys are capable of putting up 70+pts. The only differnce between them all is OV "used to" put up better numbers.

Those were the days eh?

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10 Team, Points Only, $$ League, Keep 20/25 at seasons end
25 Man Roster, top 20 monthly point getters count
Goalie points W=2pt L=-1pt SHO=2pt

Stamkos, Tavares, Hall, Couture, Hanzal, Wheeler, Stastny, Versteeg, Fisher, Hornqvist, Eriksson, Hodgson, Setoguchi, Turris, Steen, Letang, DRoy, Yakupov, Grabner, Byfuglien, Baertschi

G-Rask, Halak, Schneider

With all due respect, Axeman, I have to challenge your comparison to Crosby above.

You insinuate that back when Crosby was injured / Translated not the same old Crosby, not playing at all and may not play to the level he once did ever again... risky to hitch your wagon to... There where a ton of posts like this inquiring about trades. I totally Agree.

But now, no one is asking about trading Crosby (because he's back to his old self. Agreed.

Then you go on to say that Ovie is not the same old Ovie / Translated, he's not putting the fantasy dominant numbers (that Crosby, Malkin and Stamkos put up in their best years) that he once did, may never produce the way he once did... risky to hitch your wagon too. Hence, we're seeing the same old posts about trading him.

However you then make the statement:

"For all you OV owners out there, you should have sold him at least a year ago when you could actually get Parise + for him, or Benn+ for him. "

So by that same Rationale, those paranoid Crosby owners of 2 years ago should have sold back then too... Think of how many scorned GM's would be out there if they simply did sell argueably the best player in the world...and now he's back to his old self.

It's so easy to criticize the GM's who currently hold Ovie for either Selling to Low, or refusing to sell and riding it out. Even though Ovie's issues seems more to do with what's between his ears...(well...I suppose it was the same for Crosby technically)...Ovie's issures are not injury related (we are to assume). Therefore, shouldn't it be MORE likely for him to bounce back to his old form than a player that has to overcome a brain injury?

I just think that it's not that easy a decision...perhaps you equating it to Crosby...validates the tug of war with Ovie.

I'm not argueing that Ovie's value is at an all time low right now...but if GM's simply cast him away right now, or 2 years ago...and he ends up returning to form...

And with that...I continue on with my Dilema.

Thanks for the perspective though Axeman as always.

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Team:
C - Tavares, Getzlaf, Ribeiro, (C/R)
L - Hall, Semin, Macdonald(C/L), Healtey(L/R),
R - Perry, Yakupov, Voracek, Voracek, Williams, Boyes
D - Streit, OEL, Edler, Karlsson, B. Smith, Beauchemin, Seidenberg
G - Rinne, Bryzgalov, Anderson, Bernier, Vokoun
10 Team Keeper league with Yahoo

Roster (14 Kept Players): C, C, LW, LW, RW, RW, D, D, D, D, Util, Util, G, G,

(Weighted Category Points: see below).

Skaters -
(Points: G a/o A) 6
(+/-) 3
(PIM) 1
(PPP) 5
(GWG) 5

Goaltenders
(W) 15
(GA) -10
(SV) 1
(SHO) 15

Basic concept of Sell High Buy Low. The fact that you're considering either Vanek Marleau or Thornton shows that you wanna ride the hot streaks. As mentionned above, if I was a Vanek, Marleau or Thornton, I would make an attempt at acquiring Ovechkin.

Not the other way around.

I got Ovechkin Heatley for D Sedin and Datsyuk, so yes, I still have faith in the guy (multi cat league)

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Keeper league H2H weekly (12 teams, 20 players per team, 10 keepers)
9 Skater stats: P, G, +/-, PPG, PPP, SHP, GWG, Shots, Hits
4 Goalie stats: W, SO, Save%, GAA%
3C, 4W, 4D, 1X, 2G (minimum 4 starts a week), 6B

C: Benn, Little, Stepan
W: Ovechkin, Yakupov, Brown, Moulson,
D: Green, Byfuglien (W/D), Weber, Carlson
X: Clowe
G: Rinne, Markstrom
B: Strome, Hanzal, J Jokinen, Goligoski, Flash, Faulk, Elliott

FYI...I was offered Marleau straight up.

I declined. The tug of war continues.

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Team:
C - Tavares, Getzlaf, Ribeiro, (C/R)
L - Hall, Semin, Macdonald(C/L), Healtey(L/R),
R - Perry, Yakupov, Voracek, Voracek, Williams, Boyes
D - Streit, OEL, Edler, Karlsson, B. Smith, Beauchemin, Seidenberg
G - Rinne, Bryzgalov, Anderson, Bernier, Vokoun
10 Team Keeper league with Yahoo

Roster (14 Kept Players): C, C, LW, LW, RW, RW, D, D, D, D, Util, Util, G, G,

(Weighted Category Points: see below).

Skaters -
(Points: G a/o A) 6
(+/-) 3
(PIM) 1
(PPP) 5
(GWG) 5

Goaltenders
(W) 15
(GA) -10
(SV) 1
(SHO) 15

So if they all are capable of 70+...then they're all pretty equal. May as well keep the guy who has the potential to put up 100 pts, even if the best he does is on par with the rest.

Right? (Hence...the enigmatic ongoing Ovie Value)

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Team:
C - Tavares, Getzlaf, Ribeiro, (C/R)
L - Hall, Semin, Macdonald(C/L), Healtey(L/R),
R - Perry, Yakupov, Voracek, Voracek, Williams, Boyes
D - Streit, OEL, Edler, Karlsson, B. Smith, Beauchemin, Seidenberg
G - Rinne, Bryzgalov, Anderson, Bernier, Vokoun
10 Team Keeper league with Yahoo

Roster (14 Kept Players): C, C, LW, LW, RW, RW, D, D, D, D, Util, Util, G, G,

(Weighted Category Points: see below).

Skaters -
(Points: G a/o A) 6
(+/-) 3
(PIM) 1
(PPP) 5
(GWG) 5

Goaltenders
(W) 15
(GA) -10
(SV) 1
(SHO) 15

Not sure that I completely understand this point. Are you suggesting that Thornton, Vanek and Marleau's value is high solely because they're on a hot streak right now?

If so, I disagree. Those 3 players...in that order (with a decent gap between Thornton and Marleau (Vanek on par with Marleau) have consistently held formidable Fantasy Value in spite of their current Hot Streaks.

The LAST thing one should do is trade in a Ferrari(Ovie)...(that requires some refurbishing) for a Hyundai Elantra (2012 Car of the year) just because of a moment in time hot streak a la Anderson, Pomminville, Conacher...hell...even Tarasenko who have been 4 of Fantasy's most surprising produces over the first 2 weeks.

I feel the guys I've picked out are decent return based on career value.

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Team:
C - Tavares, Getzlaf, Ribeiro, (C/R)
L - Hall, Semin, Macdonald(C/L), Healtey(L/R),
R - Perry, Yakupov, Voracek, Voracek, Williams, Boyes
D - Streit, OEL, Edler, Karlsson, B. Smith, Beauchemin, Seidenberg
G - Rinne, Bryzgalov, Anderson, Bernier, Vokoun
10 Team Keeper league with Yahoo

Roster (14 Kept Players): C, C, LW, LW, RW, RW, D, D, D, D, Util, Util, G, G,

(Weighted Category Points: see below).

Skaters -
(Points: G a/o A) 6
(+/-) 3
(PIM) 1
(PPP) 5
(GWG) 5

Goaltenders
(W) 15
(GA) -10
(SV) 1
(SHO) 15

Hey dude, whatever cranks your tractor. it could happen, not saying its not a possibility. That being said, if a frog had wings he wouldnt bump his ass when he hops either. its all in how you want to look at it. I just dont see it happening.

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10 Team, Points Only, $$ League, Keep 20/25 at seasons end
25 Man Roster, top 20 monthly point getters count
Goalie points W=2pt L=-1pt SHO=2pt

Stamkos, Tavares, Hall, Couture, Hanzal, Wheeler, Stastny, Versteeg, Fisher, Hornqvist, Eriksson, Hodgson, Setoguchi, Turris, Steen, Letang, DRoy, Yakupov, Grabner, Byfuglien, Baertschi

G-Rask, Halak, Schneider