personally i would ride this team out as is

you dont need to rebuild you are already there most of those players are babies for crying out loud

if rask lives up to the hype your goaltending will be great for a 12 team league

your defense imo is at worst above average in a 12 team league

and your forwards well i will be honest many of them are a year or two from it

however if things break right for a couple of your forwards this season they could be about average

if you follow the waiver wire like a hawk this could be a middle of the pack team imo

i think you roll the dice and see what happens with this team

yeah its not ready to compete for the money but i dont think its as terrible as you think it is

If he is not competing for the title, then no need to carry 3 goalies. Elliot is coming off a career year, after a truly terrible year with Ottawa. If you can get something decent for him, I would deal him in a heartbeat because he's not a guaranteed starter. He is just in a good situation where a team is defensively responsible.

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elliott is 27 years old not 37 there is absolutely no reason to assume that he peaked last year and thats as good as it gets for him imo

sure if you get offered something no brainer for him you do it

but lets say that elliott is finally finding his game wouldnt be the first time a goalie didnt develop until his late 20s and it certainly will not be the last well he will still be at a good age when this roster starts hitting its stride and having 3 goalies will be something that helps put him over the top

like i said if you get something no brainer for elliott you do it but i dont move goalies in 12 teams leagues just to move them they are too damn valuable and getting your hands on one when you need it is an expensive proposition

also isnt standard yahoo league 2 goalie if so i dont see how you dont need 3 goalies

Elliot after posting a 0.893 save % in 2010-11 (3rd last), then had 0.940 last season. That save % is the highest of all time!!!
http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/recor...l-goalies.html

one shutout every 4 starts (9 in 36). Previously he had 9 in 130 starts.

His career save% went from 30th among starting goalies since the previous lockout to first last year. The top 5? Thomas, Rinne, Lundqvist, Luongo, and HALAK.

http://www.broadstreethockey.com/201...rcentage-or-sv

I would consider having the alltime season save % and huge increase over his career average as peaking.

P.s. remember Raycroft, Mason, jim Carey

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peaking was the wrong word to use i meant not to expect him to go back to his 10-11 numbers next season

raycroft was 23 carey was 20-21 and mason was 20-21

these guys had huge success out of the gate and disappeared their situations arent comparable to eliotts in any way shape or form

how about mike smith coming on late in the game

tim thomas was in his 30s for crying out loud

look there are no guarantees there never are but it can happen

Well if he doesn't get his 2010-11 stats, and not his HISTORICAL 2011-12 stats then he will go back to his career save % which is .909 (coincidentally the highest season save% he's had prior)

Regression to the mean.

Can you name a similar person? Not some European star goalie that comes late? Tim Thomas was in his 30s and had starred in Europe.. Mike Smith is widely known as product of the system (see TB), but at least he's the full time starter in PHO.

You look at the list of all time Single season save % and there is Roloson #6 at age 34. His career number was .908.
Vesa Toskala was #15 (age 28), Huet was #21 (30), Jeff Hackett #26 (28), Byron Dafoe #30 (27), Cechmanek 33 (31), Tugnutt 34 (31), Mason 35 (30). Even Legace, Fernandez, Aebischer, and Ellis are in the top 50. Haven't heard of them as regular allstars.

Do you expect him to bench Rinne/Rask? If Elliot had only 36 starts last year, if you rotate is that 1 game per week? If he only gets a 0.915 this year, above his career high, will he be worth more/less? The only way his value improves is taking away the starting spot.

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where do you come up with this nonsense

i already gave you 2 who found their games later in life

elliott turned 27 late in the 11-12 season

howards break out season occured when he turned 26 late in 09-10

anderson had a 1 season break out in 09-10 he turned 29 late that season (he had a rough spot the season following that but bounced back to being a starter last season)

now those guys arent spectacular goalies but they are starters and in a 12 team league having 3 starters gives you a distinct edge

there are no guarantees elliott does anything else i already said that

i also said if you get a no brainer deal you do it

i said its pointless to get rid of him just for the sake of getting rid of him

You asked for age appropriate examples, where a goalie suddenly gets a career high GAA I gave you 10 of them. None were very valuable and few if any became successful starters.

Season high/career
Hackett .927/.902
Roloson .933/.908
Toskala .930/.902
Huet .929/.913
Dafoe .926/.904
Mason .925/.910
Tugnutt .925/.894
Ellis .924/.908
Fernandez .924/.912

If Elliot sets another historic goaltending season then yes he'll be worth a lot in the future, but I don't think the GM should count on it.

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i didnt ask for any such thing i said the examples you gave werent analagous

as for what you gave me you gave them about 10 minutes after the post you are quoting here

i never claimed that the league isnt littered with flameouts nor did i claim elliott was some kind of sure thing

i am just pointing out that goalies finding their game late in life is not such a rare thing nowadays it is happening more and more often

again i never suggested keep elliott at all costs i just said dont get rid of him to get rid of him

the trade that started this thread is for a huge khl risk with attitude problems and a goalie prospect

those cant exactly be counted upon either