Agreed, Great thread!

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G,A,PTS,GWG,PIM,SOG,STP,HT,BL,+/-,W,GAA,SV,SO
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When I'm the girl, I don't know what the bar has to offer because if someone wants to buy me a drink, they'll walk over and find out. It is not possible for me to tell them exactly what I want. Maybe I know I want a tequila but I don't know what brands the place has; I can say that I want a tequila, and I will. If the guy wants to get somewhere with me and get my attention, he'll go to the bar, find out what brands are available, and come back and ask me if I'd rather have a Don Julio Añejo or a Patron Reposado.

When I'm buying a drink, I need to know my audience so I can succeed. Exactly the same principle.

Specific players != win criteria. If you tell me what you want to accomplish in a trade rather than just what players you want, then I might come up with something you haven't thought of. I could engineer a 3-way trade. I could find other creative ways to get you what you want. If you just come back to me with "Players X, Y, and Z" then a number of the options have been eliminated before the discussion even starts. I see it as taking too narrow a view on the possibilities. If your win criteria is "receive more player value than I send" then your approach is bang on, but I think that's a pretty narrow view.

Like I said, I consummate a lot of deals. Each one is different, and all are good experience that set me up to satisfy more partners in the future. All the while, my skill improves and my results get better. I think it's a much better way to go than "this is how I want to get off".

LOL, awesome.

Awesome!

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i totally agree with this

in a limited keeper i am making sure that he is getting at minimum 1 keeper more from me than i am from him

also to me its important to not peddle junk

at a minimum 2 pieces should be only 1 tier lower and none of the pieces should be more than 2 tiers lower

and goalies and defensemen offered should never be more than 1 tier lower you just arent offering worthwhile value at that point

if he asks for something 3 tiers lower thats his business but i dont like insulting someone by offering it because i know i hate it when it is done to me

also if i am not trading for an elite piece but the next tier then i have no problem offering another position in the same tier if i can make it work for me

other gms are much more inclined to deal with gms who dont try to jerk them around

also other gms who feel like they 'won' the deal are more likely to deal with you in the future thinking the can 'win' again giving you the ability to make their 'wins' smaller and smaller as time goes on

I dont ever start negotiations without a Beer. I get bored with fantasy sports so I typically look for trades just to be trading. Its my favorite part of being a poolie. The more beer i have the more offers i send out

I typically try to find players on my roster that have more name value then actual value then look for a team that has a need for that type of player. If they are a GM that is a fan of that team i consider it a bonus!

I dont typically make 2 for 1 offers because most people are wise of such trickery, however i will throw in a prospect as a bonus if there is an age difference between the players favoring my side

The one "tactic" i find works the best is to target the other teams weakest (but not droppable) player and fit them in on the trade. I find everyone wants to upgrade their depth so if i can include that player in a deal i can usually end up with the player i am targetting.

I do have one new angle i have been wanting to try this past week but Mr.Scot Beckenbaugh wont return my calls!

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2 for 1 doesnt have to be trickery

lets ignore injuries for a second and just consider talent

offering backstrom and weber for stamkos would hardly be trickery

Touche', very valid point; I find for every 1 of those offers you get 99 Briere/Horton for Stamkos "Depth will make you win forsure" type offers though

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RW: Corey Perry (RW); Marian Gaborik (RW); Nail Yakupov (RW); Patric Hornqvist (RW)
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like i posited in my post you cant drop more than one tier if you are only offer 2 players

i agree the trade you are describing is terrible

i have an easy way to deal with those trades i counter with the exact same type of offer for one of their players

they usually get the message after that