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Old 01-10-2013, 08:58 AM
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Dats didn't it leave it hanging whether he was coming back or not. He wasn't elusive in his answers. There was never a question whether he was coming back. Apples and Oranges. Kovy brought this on himself.
he did what all foreign players do while at home he was elusive in order to dangle a little hope in front of the local fans no matter that it will never happen

players do that crap all the time

the big deal about this wasnt made over his answers they were reported then promptly forgotten

this has been made a bid deal because he has remained over there and hasnt come back like ovechkin and others

but he isnt the only one who remained over there
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:04 AM
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Kovy can do whatever he wants but it's still completely different situation to Datsyuk.

The All-Star game will be played on Saturday while training camps open on Sunday (pending PA ratifying the CBA). If Ilya can't get on New Jersey in time and haven't notified anyone within the Devils organisation, he's techically in breach of his contract. Meanwhile Datsyuk has the permission from his team so there's no issues there.

Edit. Actually the All-Stars game is played on Sunday so Kovy definitely won't get to camp in time.
teams have to allow reasonable time from ratification for players to report

these people arent slaves they arent required to stand around and wait outside the arena for the lockout to finish
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:07 AM
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teams have to allow reasonable time from ratification for players to report

these people arent slaves they arent required to stand around and wait outside the arena for the lockout to finish
Ilya has had reasonable amount of time to get on the camp in time. The lockout has ended. Ratification is just the final formal process but for all purposes the lockout has ended.

Even still, the PA will ratify the CBA before this Sunday's KHL All-Stars game so Kovy again techically couldn't play it without the permission from his employer - New Jersey Devils.

So again you can't compare Ilya's and Pavel's situations.
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:52 AM
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Ilya has had reasonable amount of time to get on the camp in time. The lockout has ended. Ratification is just the final formal process but for all purposes the lockout has ended.

Even still, the PA will ratify the CBA before this Sunday's KHL All-Stars game so Kovy again techically couldn't play it without the permission from his employee - New Jersey Devils.

So again you can't compare Ilya's and Pavel's situations.
no the lockout has not ended it ends with ratification

if it was ended teams would be able to make trades and sign contracts and coaches would be able to be there with the players

none of that is the case because the lockout is not over
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:54 AM
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no the lockout has not ended it ends with ratification

if it was ended teams would be able to make trades and sign contracts and coaches would be able to be there with the players

none of that is the case because the lockout is not over
Fine. But the lockout will still have ended before this Sunday's All-Stars Game in KHL. Thus Kovy will have legal obligation to NHL and New Jersey Devils and his deal in the KHL will have expired as it was done only for the duration of the lockout.
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Fine. But the lockout will still have ended before this Sunday's All-Stars Game in KHL. Thus Kovy will have legal obligation to NHL and New Jersey Devils and his deal in the KHL will have expired as it was done only for the duration of the lockout.
then its up to the team if they want to suspend him or not

but again this is irrelevant to the way its being reported which has been my gripe

it isnt being reported that kovy is playing in the all star game without permission

its being reported that since kovy hasnt come back to new jersey it means he doesnt intend to fulfill his contract with the devils

datsyuk hadnt come back either and that article you post is from yesterday well after reports about kovalchuck staying put have come out

yet not a word about datsyuk staying over there prior to that

why is that is what i want to know
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then its up to the team if they want to suspend him or not

but again this is irrelevant to the way its being reported which has been my gripe

it isnt being reported that kovy is playing in the all star game without permission

its being reported that since kovy hasnt come back to new jersey it means he doesnt intend to fulfill his contract with the devils

datsyuk hadnt come back either and that article you post is from yesterday well after reports about kovalchuck staying put have come out

yet not a word about datsyuk staying over there prior to that

why is that is what i want to know
Kovy has given comments like "it can't be ruled out" when asked about staying in KHL even after then lockout ends. That's why it's being reported that way. As far as I know Datsyuk hasn't given such a comments?

Besides I believe Malkin is still in Russia too. But he hasn't given any indication of nothing coming back in time for camp so what's there to report about that? Just like with Datsyuk.
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Kovy has given comments like "it can't be ruled out" when asked about staying in KHL even after then lockout ends. That's why it's being reported that way. As far as I know Datsyuk hasn't given such a comments?
again kovy is doing what all foreign players do when home say shit to get the hometown fans excited about possibilities

every time a players does this everyone acts like they have never heard it before

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Besides I believe Malkin is still in Russia too. But he hasn't given any indication of nothing coming back in time for camp so what's there to report about that? Just like with Datsyuk.
i cant speak to malkin but if he is still over there it should be reported as well

if all of these guys got together to discuss their future the reports of them not being back here yet should all be treated equally as far as i am concerned
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I thought the real issue was the Kovy wants to stay in the KHL for THE REST OF THE SEASON. It's not about the All-Star game, it's about the KHL/NHL season.
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I thought the real issue was the Kovy wants to stay in the KHL for THE REST OF THE SEASON. It's not about the All-Star game, it's about the KHL/NHL season.
the quote about the rest of the season came out today

this has been going on a bit longer than that
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