Going Gluten Free: Yay or Nay? - Page 4 - Fantasy Sports Forums

doulos · #31 12-05-2012, 01:13 PM

Hey Ross,

I just checked Google Scholar for gluten and lung congestion.

The articles I could find did connect gluten and lung congestion but only in relation to celiac disease (which was never in dispute here), or related to allergies (which is connected to sensitivities and I admitted should be taken into account as well).

Am seriously interested in any peer-reviewed articles you might have that connect gluten and non-celiac related lung congestion. I love research so let me know. I have found nothing yet like you claim, but perhaps they are there.

I do agree that the scientific literature in this area is not complete - but that's precisely the point of continuing to do more study - not a reason to then assume that there must be some sort of link.

Could there be health benefits to going gluten free that are as of yet undiscovered through the scientific process? Absolutely. Until such time that we have proof of that though it's only responsible (particularly for those presenting their opinions as heath suggestions etc) to not treat the gap in knowledge as support for a belief, but only as what it is - a gap in our knowledge that needs more study.

Gluten sensitivity is real (and different from celiac disease) but it's not well understood and more study needs to be done to try and determine to what degree it has an effect and to what level of the population.

I'm sorry but personal stories of changed health, while interesting and encouraging, are not science. They are anecdotes. Acedotes are why people buy power band bracelets and think sugar pills can cure cancer as well. Anecdotes COULD mean there is a relationship, but could also mean nothing. So .... enter the world of research to try and answer the questions and save us all from wasting time and money on useless diets or fads OR to guide us towards making healthier choices in areas that are legitimately needed.

Bomm Bastic · #32 12-05-2012, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawkdog

No cure for stupid.

Despite your name calling, allow me to reiterate so that we are all clear.

Unless you have celiac disease, are gluten intolerant (similar...no gut damage), or have a wheat allergy, there is no need to be on a GF diet.

However, those individuals who are on a GF diet, by design are avoiding processed/junk foods that contain gluten. Consequently, they will lose some weight. Doughnuts, Take-out foods, prepacked meals, pre-made meat products etc...all contain gluten as a binding agent, or in gravy, sauces, or glazes.

All of these foods too are very high in fats and sugars. A point which i previously addressed and you previously avoided.

That bakery you linked too, their items are made fresh (ie, with fresh/raw ingredients) - which is theme I have been advocating throughout this thread...if you were paying attention.

Now if you can point to any of the above FACTS as being incorrect, please. I am all ears.....

Ross The Boss Palmer · #33 12-05-2012, 01:39 PM

I lost my access to many databases when my laptop died (I frequented Medscape and JSTOR among others) and sadly have not bothered to figure out my info to log in on my ipad from my old keychain. I did find this scholarly article on the overall topic:

http://www.aafp.org/afp/2002/1215/p2259.html

Ross The Boss Palmer · #34 12-05-2012, 01:41 PM

Here's one more specific to the lungs:

http://thorax.bmj.com/content/57/1/91.full

doulos · #35 12-05-2012, 01:46 PM

I saw the second one already (specifically deals with celiac) and the first one also deals with celiac. Good articles but it is an area we are already in agreement on

hawkdog · #36 12-05-2012, 01:49 PM

Fair enough. I retract my comment and apologize. And agree to disagree.

Here is a bit of insight into what we did, probably the approach i should have taken.

90% of the meat we eat comes from something I kill - this year i have deer, moose and elk in my freezer. Halibut and Salmon I caught fishing.

We cut out bread - including whole wheat. So burgers without buns, no toast in the morning.
We did not cut out cheddar cheese.
I switched from beer to Gin.
My wife switched from Dad's cookies to a gluten free brand of cookies
switched to rice crackers
I now buy a gluten free brand of pancake mix
We buy gluten free pizza crust.
We use a gluten free rice pasta.
We switched to corn tortilla's.
I use rice flour when i make stuff like Banana bread.

My wife no longer has bad diarrhea.
That is the results of our diet change.

If you have time read this interview form Maclean's Magazine.http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/09/20/o...y/#more-215040

this piece is interesting:

National Institutes of Health researchers showed that gluten-derived polypeptides can cross into the brain and bind to the brain’s opiate receptors. So you get this mild euphoria after eating a product made with whole wheat. You can block that effect [in lab animals] by administering the drug naloxone. This is the same drug that you’re given if you’re a heroin addict; it’s an opiate blocker. About three months ago, a drug company applied to the FDA to commercialize naltrexone, which is an oral equivalent to naloxone. And it works, apparently, it blocks the pleasurable feelings you get from eating wheat so people stop eating so much. In clinical trials, people lost about 22.4 lb. in the first six months. Why, if you’re not a drug addict, do you need something like that? And of course there’s another option, which is to cut wheat out of your diet. However, and this is another argument for classifying wheat as addictive, people can experience some pretty unpleasant withdrawal symptoms.

hawkdog · #37 12-05-2012, 01:51 PM

my point is we have always had a diet with little processed food, we simply cut out wheat and we noticed a difference.

Veritas0Aequitas · #38 12-05-2012, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doulos

VA,

My mom has Crohn's and if this is true I would love to help her out. Do you have scientific studies that have connected gluten free diets and Crohn's?

Tell her to check out The Specific Carbohydrate Diet by Elaine Gotschall and The Paleo Diet. She'll find research and reasoning in those books.

Grains are inflammatory. If you eliminate gluten / grains from your diet and you suffer from ANY inflammatory or autoimmune disease, that goes for eczema, psoriasis, arthritis, etc. I guarantee you will find SOME benefit. It's not just Crohn's and Celiac's, Bomm. My dad gets bad skin rashes (eczema type stuff) and when I got him to eliminate gluten, his problems decreased significantly. He used to have to put prescribed lotion on.

I would tell her to do a ton of research on Crohn's and diet on the internet as well. I have done countless hours of research and it has helped me become more well informed and more in tune with my body.

Like I've said before, just because you don't have a black and white ALLERGY doesn't necessarily mean you don't have a SENSITIVITY! (Stupid double negatives)

doulos · #39 12-05-2012, 02:02 PM

Now the paleo stuff has come up. I'm going to back away from this thread now.

Jeff,

Looking forward to your next few articles. Keep it up.

angus · #40 12-05-2012, 04:11 PM

Thanks. Happy to spark a healthy debate. The community is great here - for the most part things don't fall of the rails. Obviously different points of view here.

Cheers.

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