Cole

for

Zibanejad & Ryder

See signature for details. The main thing I hate to give up is Cole's hits. But I see both Cole and Ryder as guys who are primed to have a regression year.

Thoughts?

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10 Team Keeper League (Keep 12 & 3 Minors), Weekly Lineups: 4C, 4LW, 4RW, 6D, 2G, 6B, 4Minors
Categories:
G,A,P,+/-PIM, SOG, FOW, GWG, PPP, SHP, HIT, Blks, ShG, SGWG,
GS,W,GAA,SV%,SHO

Center: Tavares, Toews, Spezza, Kesler
Left Wing: Lupul, Lucic, Dupuis, Dubinsky
Right Wing: Kessel, Gaborik, Vrbata, Brouwer
Defence: Bieksa, Robidas, Girardi, Coburn, Schenn, Souray
Goalie: Price, Anderson
Bench: O'Reilly, Fleischmann, Setoguchi, Timonen, M. Stuart, Lehtonen
Minors: Kreider, Kassian, Nyquist, Killorn
IR adds: Smith, Glencross

Wonder if you have to drop someone to make the deal? That could be a factor. If not, then I like the deal, you get younger by loads with a very nice prospect in Zinbanejad and remain well covered at RW - I think Horton might well replace Cole adequately for you.

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Yahoo weekly starts 12 team league, keep 17 plus farm

GS, W, L, SV, GAA, SV%, SO G, A, P, +/-, PIM, SOG, GWG, PPP, SHP, HITS, FOW

3C: H. Sedin,Stepan, Stastny, R. Johansen, Hanzal, Anisimov,
3LW: Burrows, Vanek, Ott, Lupul, Dubinsky
3RW: Doan, Pavelski, Brown, Okposo,
6D: Franson, Doughty, Voynov, Subban, Markov, Gonchar, Karlsson
1Util:
2G: Price, Emery


Farm: (< 100 games): S. Elliott, J. Bernier, Galchenyuk, Etem, Eakin, Atkinson

How did you rank in hits last year? With Lucic, Dubinsky, Bieksa, and Schenn on your roster, and Kassian on the way, probably not too badly right?

I agree that Cole and Ryder are both due for a regression, and at 34 I question how much longer Cole can keep throwing his body around. While Ryder is a downgrade in a number of categories, including hits and shots, he is two years younger, plays a safer style of hockey.

Zbad meanwhile looks to be a very solid prospect, and I would be excited about the chance to land him. He is fairly close to being NHL ready, and while you obviously have to be cautious about expecting him to hit the 80+ upside that is often attributed to him, he does seem to be a safe bet as a 60+ guy. Dobber mentions Plekanec as a comparable for his 3-year projection in the Prospects Report.

But who do you drop for Zbad? 2 for 1 is actually 2 for 2, as it forces you to dump somebody. Your current four farm guys are quality prospects, and while I would rather have Zbad than Atkinson and possibly Nyqvist, I am not sure the upgrade there would be big enough to justify the downgrade from Ryder to Cole. I suppose you could lose Booth, and hope one of your prospects can step up and replace him.

So yeah...I am undecided. If you are desperate to win this year, don't do it, simply because you are downgrading a starter, and introducing a question mark by trying to plug a rookie in to replace whomever you drop. If you look at your team as a work in progress, and would like to add a nice piece, then go for it.

Cole and Ryder are a wash to me, and with Horton on the bench as well as some other players I'm unsure you really "need" either of them. So it's like getting Zibanejad for free..... Sounds like a good deal!

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10 team full keeper: 4C/LW/RW,6D,2G,5BN

G,A,P,+/-,PIM,SOG,GWG,PPP,SHP,Hit,Blk,FOW
W,GAA,SV,SV%,SHO

C- Giroux,Hanzal,M.Richards,J.Staal
LW- Lupul,JVR,Tlusty,Zetterberg
RW- Backes,Clarkson,Havlat,Kessel
D- Bogosian,Carlson,Enstrom,Kulikov,Markov,Yandle
G- Miller,Hiller,Crawford
BN- Kuba,Ruutu,Robidas,McDonald

Prospects- Armia, Connolly, Couturier, Etem, Forsberg, Girgensons, Huberdeau, Kucherov, Nyquist, Okposo, K.Palmieri, Stransky, Toffoli, Barberio, Gardiner, Gormley, Josi, Marincin, Moore, Morrow, Savard, Vatanen, Allen, Bernier, Campbell, Fasth, Hackett, Mrazek

Taking Zibanejad would mean me either dropping a minor guy and placing zibanejad on the minor team, or me putting a minor guy on the roster and dropping someone else.

There is no rule against keeping an extra minor guy on the main roster, but obviously that would take up the spot of a player who could be potentially putting up points for me.

If I had to get rid of a minor leaguer I would probably drop Atkinson.

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10 Team Keeper League (Keep 12 & 3 Minors), Weekly Lineups: 4C, 4LW, 4RW, 6D, 2G, 6B, 4Minors
Categories:
G,A,P,+/-PIM, SOG, FOW, GWG, PPP, SHP, HIT, Blks, ShG, SGWG,
GS,W,GAA,SV%,SHO

Center: Tavares, Toews, Spezza, Kesler
Left Wing: Lupul, Lucic, Dupuis, Dubinsky
Right Wing: Kessel, Gaborik, Vrbata, Brouwer
Defence: Bieksa, Robidas, Girardi, Coburn, Schenn, Souray
Goalie: Price, Anderson
Bench: O'Reilly, Fleischmann, Setoguchi, Timonen, M. Stuart, Lehtonen
Minors: Kreider, Kassian, Nyquist, Killorn
IR adds: Smith, Glencross

Fortunately all of your minor league guys are both good, and according to the general consensus, pretty close to being NHL ready, so there is a good chance one of them could move up to your main roster and not be a total liability. While there are no guarantees, any one of Atkinson, Nyquist or Kreider could have a decent shot at out-performing Booth this year.

I see you have weekly lineups - Stuart probably is not going to start very often for you, I would do the deal and dump him and promote Kreider maybe and slot Zinbanejad on the farm.

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Yahoo weekly starts 12 team league, keep 17 plus farm

GS, W, L, SV, GAA, SV%, SO G, A, P, +/-, PIM, SOG, GWG, PPP, SHP, HITS, FOW

3C: H. Sedin,Stepan, Stastny, R. Johansen, Hanzal, Anisimov,
3LW: Burrows, Vanek, Ott, Lupul, Dubinsky
3RW: Doan, Pavelski, Brown, Okposo,
6D: Franson, Doughty, Voynov, Subban, Markov, Gonchar, Karlsson
1Util:
2G: Price, Emery


Farm: (< 100 games): S. Elliott, J. Bernier, Galchenyuk, Etem, Eakin, Atkinson

He starts 6D per week though, and only owns 7, including Stuart. Perhaps the waiver wire holds some viable options in terms of injury replacements, but otherwise I would be reluctant to drop the only insurance policy at the D position.

Stuart gets lots of hits, BS but I bet a lot of similar dmen out on FA list.

Just pick one up when you need one and after the seasons starts you can figure out which forward to drop.

ADDENDUM : just realized I am in your league. Forget any advice I gave you Mr.Wall.

P.s. should get ppl on forum to work out a fair D for C trade for us. Not interested in O'Reilly again.

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NHL winner '05,'07,'09,'11 (4/7)
NFL winner '10, '12 (2/3)

Yeah we should, feel free to post up my roster if you want

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10 Team Keeper League (Keep 12 & 3 Minors), Weekly Lineups: 4C, 4LW, 4RW, 6D, 2G, 6B, 4Minors
Categories:
G,A,P,+/-PIM, SOG, FOW, GWG, PPP, SHP, HIT, Blks, ShG, SGWG,
GS,W,GAA,SV%,SHO

Center: Tavares, Toews, Spezza, Kesler
Left Wing: Lupul, Lucic, Dupuis, Dubinsky
Right Wing: Kessel, Gaborik, Vrbata, Brouwer
Defence: Bieksa, Robidas, Girardi, Coburn, Schenn, Souray
Goalie: Price, Anderson
Bench: O'Reilly, Fleischmann, Setoguchi, Timonen, M. Stuart, Lehtonen
Minors: Kreider, Kassian, Nyquist, Killorn
IR adds: Smith, Glencross