Is Holtby a safe enough bet to land the starter's gig that I can cut Neuvy loose?

I only have 4 reserve spots and really don't want three tenders. However, it may be better to see how it plays out first - I'd kick myself if Neuvy landed the starters gig and I bet on the wrong horse.

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19 team Dynasty League - POINTS ONLY. Daily starts: 9 fwds, 6 D, 1 goalie

G=2pts, A=1pt, Dman G=3pts, GWG=1pt, Goalie Win=3.5pts, SO=4pts, L=-1pt


Kovalchuk, Couture, Wheeler
Parenteau, Elias, Little
Desharnais, Hemsky, Zuccarello
Smith, Rattie

Karlsson, Letang, Ehrhoff
Carle, Giordano, Martin
Hamhuis

Fleury
Schneider

No, I would not drop Neuvirth because I think he will give Holtby a run for his money.

Though I must say, in a one goalie start league you have one of the most secure options in Rinne....so it's really up to you.

Holtby is not at all the anointed starter at this point. They will fight it out and Neuvirth has A LOT more experience and has also won more. Neuvirth has only ever lost one playoff series and that was against Tampa Bay in 2011. Before that he won FOURTEEN playoff rounds in a row. You think Holtby is clutch? Well, Neuvy is clutch too.

If you drop Neuvy now, I'd say that you are pretty much guaranteed to regret it.

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12 team H2H dynasty, most categories under the sun, incl. hits/blocks. Main team, farm

C: Kopitar Backstrom Stepan Cammalleri Little Bolland Laich Johnson
LW: Parise Lupul Erat McDonald Martin Silfverberg Nyquist Schwartz Morin Nieto Conacher
RW: PKane Doan Pominville Nash Clowe Lupul Rinaldo Stafford Rattie Stone Chiasson Ritchie
D: Green Suter Seabrook Dillon Beauchemin Schenn Letang Schultz Hamilton McNabb Rielly Harrison
G: Bryzgalov Pavelec Holtby Neuvirth Nihlstorp Lack CalPickard Andersen Stalock Sateri Eriksson
IR: Halak

I would not drop him either - in a 19 team league I think goalies should be at a premium, even if you only start 1. If you guess wrong you are losing out on a prime asset. I would be more inclined to be patient and wait it out.

I can see the probelm with carrying three goalies but would at least wait until you have some injuries that are forcing your hand.

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14 team roto(3C,3RW,3LW,5D,2G,5B,1IR-82 max games)
Cats-G,A,+/-,PPP,PIM,SOG,HITS,FOW,BLKS,W,SV%,GAA,SAVES

C-Toews,B. Richards,Hanzal
RW-Voracek,Stewart,Versteeg
LW-Benn(C),Clowe(RW),Pacioretty
D-Pietrangelo,Doughty,Burns,Ehrhoff,Gonchar
G-Rask,Lindback
B-Emery,Havlat,Coburn,Atkinson,Fiddler

7 team roto(3C,3RW,3LW,4D,1U,2G,4B,3IR-86 max games)
Cats-G,A,P,+/-,PIM,PPP,SHP,GWG,W,SV%,GAA,SO

C-Crosby,E.Staal,Pavelski(RW)
RW-Iginla,Clowe(LW),Wheeler
LW–E.Kane,Pacioretty,Semin(RW)
D–Letang,AP,Subban,Shatty
U-Getz
G-Rask,Ward
B–Kipper,Voracek,Moulson,Burns

It's Holtby's job to lose, no doubt in my mind.
He was the main reason for their playoff success last year, and Neuvirth (although given multiple chances) has continually failed to seize his opportunities.

Having said that, I would not drop Neuvirth in a deep keeper league. Still too early, although time is running out for him to legitimately establish himself as an NHL goalie.

I originally had Neuvy and traded for Holtby just to secure Washington's goalies, as they have a VERY compatible schedule with Nashville. Something like 50 games on nights when Nashville doesn't play, so I will get lots of starts from my second tender.

My plan was/is to see how it shakes out over the first few weeks and hope that one or the other emerges as the #1, then drop the other guy.

It kinda sucks that I have no dropable players (Gilbert I guess, though D are scarce) and I like to have someone on the cusp of dropping to grab whoever is a sleeper out of camp (guys like Wolksi, Tlusty etc), but I agree that now is probably too early to make that decision.

thanks all!

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19 team Dynasty League - POINTS ONLY. Daily starts: 9 fwds, 6 D, 1 goalie

G=2pts, A=1pt, Dman G=3pts, GWG=1pt, Goalie Win=3.5pts, SO=4pts, L=-1pt


Kovalchuk, Couture, Wheeler
Parenteau, Elias, Little
Desharnais, Hemsky, Zuccarello
Smith, Rattie

Karlsson, Letang, Ehrhoff
Carle, Giordano, Martin
Hamhuis

Fleury
Schneider

Continually failed to seize his opportunities?

He's done nothing but beat the odds and exceed expectations leading up to the 10/11 season. Varlamov was always the rock star, but Neuvy always got the better results and was the calm counterpart.

He put himself into starter position for the 2011 playoffs when he had just turned 23, which is young for most goalies. He won against the Rangers but failed against Tampa. Even so, he still put up 2.34/.912% for those two playoff rounds. He beat out Varlamov to be the starter and then the Caps traded Varlamov to Colorado and Neuvirth was poised to be the starter from the beginning of 11/12. Then suddenly Tomas Vokoun offers himself to Washington for a one-year contract that is nutty cheap. GM George McPhee probably went "can't pass this up, I guess Neuvy isn't the starter anymore, but he'll learn plenty from Vokoun as they're both Czech".

Throughout the season he's fairly mediocre mainly because he never gets to establish a rhythm (just ask Justin Goldman), but he gets his act together for the end of the season. During the season Vokoun isn't exactly lights out either and Holtby is only ordinary in the AHL for Hershey. Fast forward to the end of 11/12 and Neuvirth is yet again in March establishing himself as the go-to goalie for the playoffs. Then Neuvy gets hurt and since Vokoun is hurt too the team has no choice but to play Holtby, who happens to shine for two playoff series.

Now, please tell me how he has continually failed to seize his opportunities. It's fascinating reading the revisionist history some people have been trying to put forth here on DobberHockey just because Braden Holtby came out of nowhere. You forget Neuvy's accomplishments and the fact that he beat Varlamov for the starter spot before the really random Vokoun signing happened. Seriously, McPhee didn't even ask Vokoun, Vokoun came to Washington with the lowest of low-ball offers against himself.

Facts are your friend, people. To say that Holtby is the no-brainer starter is one thing and one thing only: Ignorant.

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12 team H2H dynasty, most categories under the sun, incl. hits/blocks. Main team, farm

C: Kopitar Backstrom Stepan Cammalleri Little Bolland Laich Johnson
LW: Parise Lupul Erat McDonald Martin Silfverberg Nyquist Schwartz Morin Nieto Conacher
RW: PKane Doan Pominville Nash Clowe Lupul Rinaldo Stafford Rattie Stone Chiasson Ritchie
D: Green Suter Seabrook Dillon Beauchemin Schenn Letang Schultz Hamilton McNabb Rielly Harrison
G: Bryzgalov Pavelec Holtby Neuvirth Nihlstorp Lack CalPickard Andersen Stalock Sateri Eriksson
IR: Halak

Who can you pick up from the waiver wire? If there isnt anyone worth picking up why would you want to get rid of one of your goalies? If you have a player in mind let us know who he is and we will let you know if it is a good idea or not.

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Studs N Duds - Sunday's

12 Team NHL Salary Cap Dynasty
H2H, Salary Cap 82mil, Player actual salaries
G,A,PTS,GWG,PIM,SOG,STP,HT,BL,+/-,W,GAA,SV,SO
Starters: 12 Forwards, 6 Defense, 2 Goalies

F - Stamkos, Perry, E.Staal, Voracek, J.Staal, Simmonds, Ott, Downie, J.Jokinen, Eller, Nielson, Prust
D - Martin, Faulk, Brodie, Ellerby, M.Weber, Stone
G - Bobrovsky, Halak
Bench - Brunner, Brodie, Strachan, Khudobin, Lindback, Neuvirth, Ramo

Prospects - Calvert, Forsberg, Etem, Namestinikov, Kreider, Cundari

Facts are facts indeed... and Neuvirth's "facts" (i.e. his stats) have gotten worse every year the past 3 seasons. If he played in Toronto, they would have run him out of town by now.
An NHL goalie behind a conservative team (since Hunter took over) just BARELY puts up a .900 save pct, and you're saying he's seized his opportunity?! Please.
"Res ipsa loquiter"... if HE SEIZED HIS OPPORTUNITIES THIS THREAD WOULD NOT EXIST.

And, give me a break... as if Washington only signed Vokoun because he threw himself at them. The fact is, the Caps don't trust Neuvirth. They've shown that consistently. The Varlamov trade was all about extracting a huge return and knowing that they eventually needed to make room for Holtby anyway.

If you have Neuvirth AND Holtby then you're in a terrific position and should hang on to both. At least for this upcoming season.