Trying to project both players for points only for the next 2 years. 2 years because you would have to think Whitney retires after his contract expires, though he keeps defying his age. Also Jagr will be gone so Roy should be be a bigger focal point on that team.
Pretend there can still be 82 games this season, can both players get 60+ pts in Dallas??

Thanks in advance!

First year in Dallas for both players, which complicates projections somewhat.

Whitney 50-65 points over the next two years.
Roy 60-75 over the next couple of seasons, if he could remain healthy.


Love the Ageless Wonder, but I have to go Roy here.

Roy as a second line center will probably be good for around 60 points, give or take some. What we have to consider is that Roy is getting the time to properly rehab that shoulder, and I wonder (though this is just speculation) if that nagging injury had a large role in his down year last year. Future wise though, I'd be looking for 60 points give or take maybe 5?

Whitney I would say definitely has a higher upside for the near future, but obviously longevity is an issue with him. He'll give you good production in the short term though. It's tough to say how he'll do in Dallas because he's going to a new team with new linemates and new coach etc. but I certainly wouldn't bet against him getting close to 60 points on a short-term scope.

I have to question why Roy would be pegged at 60 points. What is the reasoning there?

He is certainly coming off a terrible year with 44 points in 80 games, but if you look at the previous years:

2010-11: 35 points in 35 games (shortened to injury, but still a point per game pace)

09-10: 69 in 80

08-09: 70 in 82

07-08: 81 in 78

06-07: 63 in 75

And before this were essentially his rookie year at 49 games played and the following year of developing on the third line (I think 06-07 was 3rd line as well).

Looking at those numbers I'd be more inclined to say he's a 70 point threat than a 60.

Of course, he's had nagging injuries which could be a concern going forward, but looking at his games played over his career he isn't historically an injury risk.

He's playing second line in Dallas, but he managed 63 points as a third liner in Buffalo, and I'm sure he's looking at the top line PP unit in Dallas.

And he's 29, which is generally around peak time for most players (27, 28, 29, 30).

I'm curious as to why one bad year and he's being written off - not just talking about this thread, but I've seen a lot of talk about Roy and him getting 60 or even sub.

Either way, I'd say he's looking at closer to 70 points than 60.

Because he's slated as the second line center, on a team with a lot of top-six forward depth.

Not to say that he doesn't have what it takes to get to 70...but what i'm saying is he's gonna be in tough to do it.

I agree. In Dallas, Roy is not the main man. Benn is. He may get 1st pp time, though with Benn on the wing. It all depends on how things click, it's a high turnover roster. If there was a season going on, then Roy would probably be rated below Whitney due to missing time, but over two years, and with no end of the lockout in sight, Roy probably has a bunch of 60+ pt years ahead of him.

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I agree with Rob2kx.

Yes he's 2nd line, but he'll likely get top PP time with really good players. I traded for him and gave away next to nothing for him based on that down year. I think he'll have many good years ahead of him. If the stars align and someone like Cody Eakin can prove himself as a 2nd line C, then maybe Roy moves up to the top line and Benn goes back to the wing.

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One thing you have to keep in mind is that the NHL is trending towards more defensive hockey...

So a 70 point player now is essentially a point-per-gamer 2 years ago...

Last season there were only 21 players that recorded 70 points or more.

Malkin, Stamkos, Giroux, Spezza, Kovalchuk, Kessel, Neal, Tavares, Sedin, Elias, Karlsson, Hossa, Whitney, Thornton, Gabby, Eberle, Kopitar, MSL, Pominville, Eriksson, Staal...

So I mean if you take a look at that list, they're essentially all first line, top PP players who garner 20+ mins plus 4-5 PP mins a game... and more importantly, a lot of those players don't have to deal with a lot of competition from their teammates.

If you look at the Stars, they have Benn, Morrow, Ryder, Eriksson, Whitney and Jagr, and generally speaking teams that have that much scoring depth tend to have their scoring levelled out and evenly distributed...

60 points is reasonable for Roy, but 70 I think is a bit of a stretch given their depth.

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