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Old 10-25-2012, 03:19 PM
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Wanting feedback for this team I just finished drafting. The mindset I had while drafting was looking at the 2013-14 season, and not "this" season(as I don't believe there will be a "this" season at all. So the team obviously very heavy on youth. I think I might need to improve my defense somehow...I've already began by shipping off Craig Smith for Joe Morrow, in a deal I feel is a good trade for my team. Any feedback/critique is certainly welcome.

12 team, Yahoo H2H league.
50 player max. per roster / No limit on how long you can keep players.

We start the following positions:
C, C, C, LW, LW, LW, RW, RW, RW, F, F, F, D, D, D, D, D, D, G, G

G, A, P, +/-, PIM, PPP, SHP, GWG
W, GAA, SV%, SO
*Daily changes
*4 min. appearances per week for goaltenders


Centers (12)
Anze Kopitar (Kings)
Patrice Bergeron (Bruins)
Tomas Plekanec (Canadiens)
Patrik Berglund (Blues)
Sean Couturier (Flyers)
Tyler Bozak (Maple Leafs)
Jonathan Huberdeau (Panthers)
Nick Bjugstad (Panthers)
Zemgus Girgensons (Sabres)
Brock Nelson (Islanders)
Greg McKegg (Maple Leafs)
Tomas Hertl (Sharks)

Left Wingers (10)
Jamie Benn (Stars)
Tomas Fleischmann (Panthers)
Ryane Clowe (Sharks)
Steve Ott (Sabres)
Clarke MacArthur (Maple Leafs)
Alex Steen (Blues)
Josh Bailey (Islanders)
Gustav Nyquist (Red Wings)
Eric Tangradi (Penguins)
Jason Zucker (Wild)

Right Wingers (10)
Jeff Skinner (Hurricanes)
Blake Wheeler (Jets)
Martin Erat (Predators)
Zack Kassian (Canucks)
Derek Dorsett (Blue Jackets)
Matt Frattin (Maple Leafs)
Nino Niederreiter (Islanders)
Alex Chiasson (Stars)
JT Miller (Rangers)
Ty Rattie (Blues)

Defenseman (13)
Shea Weber (Predators)
Alex Goligoski (Stars)
Andrej Meszaros (Flyers)
Luca Sbisa (Ducks)
Dmitry Orlov (Capitals)
TJ Brodie (Flames)
Ryan Ellis (Predators)
Philip Larsen (Stars)
Simon Despres (Penguins)
Matt Donovan (Islanders)
Mattias Ekholm (Predators)
Joe Morrow (Penguins)
Adam Clendening (Blackhawks)

Goaltenders (5)
Pekka Rinne (Predators)
Braden Holtby (Capitals)
Jonathan Bernier (Kings)
Jonas Gustavsson (Red Wings)
Robin Lehner (Senators)
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Old 10-25-2012, 03:34 PM
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In a 12-team league, this looks like a bottom 3 team... sorry.
I'm not seeing any position I would grade as a B or an A in a 12-team league.

When you are talking about "at least a year"... there's even the possibility that Shea Weber finds his way out of Nashville (as he desired) late next summer. This would really hurt Rinne's value. I also believe that the departure of Ryan Suter comes as a slight hit to both Rinne & Weber's value - so I find it curious you drafted both.

I'm going to assume your top 5 picks were: Rinne, Kopitar, Weber, Benn, Skinner.
I don't know... I'm not particularly fond of this group.

In a couple leagues I recently drafted:
12-team H2H top 8 picks: Tavares, Nash, Backes, Letang, Benn, Getzlaf, Niemi, Luongo
14-team Roto top 8 picks: Tavares, E.Staal, Zetterberg, Nash, Couture, Pavelec, Anderson, Nabokov
15-team Roto top 8 picks: Malkin, Bryzgalov, Parise, Varlamov, Gaborik, Green, Streit, Semin

When I look at your team, I don't see the talent that you should have in a 12-team league, so even if you are planning for 2013-2014, the team looks pretty weak.
And Holtby is no-sure thing as the CAPS #1 goalie. I'm curious what round you grabbed him in.

With daily changes, I would have definitely also secured three #1 goalies. Lehner might be the guy in a couple years... but I'm doubtful on this year or next.

Could be a good team in 2014-2015... but I don't see you finishing top 3 in either of the next two years.
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It's a deep league, for sure. But I have to agree with Pengwin (though I'm not as pessimistic, but ya, not top 3 for two years is fair). The star power just isn't there.

One point that worries me greatly is the minimum 4 goalie games per week. You have Rinne and 4 guys who might start, but might be backups. There's a good chance you will really struggle to reach 4 starts in some weeks this season. However if Holtby secures the top spot and Bernier is moved, you're laughing, but it could just as easily work out poorly.

I also wouldn't have drafted 13 defensemen if you're only starting 6 per week. I would much rather have the added forward depth and stick with 10 D max.
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3LW - Neal, Hall, Ladd, JVR
3RW - Horton, Callahan, Pominville, St. Louis, Atkinson
4D - Doughty, Phaneuf, Faulk, Campbell, Schultz
2G - Ward, Dubnyk

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Centers (12)
Anze Kopitar (Kings) - not an elite player, but is a very good 80 point player, not a bad center 1 in a 12 team league, but not a great one
Patrice Bergeron (Bruins)- i really do not like him since that team is so deep in C, and i think he may lose the line 1 slot at any time. He also just looks fragile
Tomas Plekanec (Canadiens)- i guess a passible 3rd C, solid vet
Patrik Berglund (Blues)- love this kids upside, and he should be able to play into your 3rd Center role by next year
Sean Couturier (Flyers)- good upside grab, since you only start 3, better to try to land some future top 36 centers rather than a for sure NHL 3rd liner
Tyler Bozak (Maple Leafs)- speaking of players who will never be a top 36 center
Jonathan Huberdeau (Panthers)- another elite upside guy, good grab
Nick Bjugstad (Panthers)- great upside
Zemgus Girgensons (Sabres) this goes for the next 4 centers, they are all solid prospects, but i would trade all 4 for a top 20 prospect over keeping all 4
Brock Nelson (Islanders)
Greg McKegg (Maple Leafs)
Tomas Hertl (Sharks)

Left Wingers (10)
Jamie Benn (Stars)- agian, not an elite player, does everything well, but in fantasy that does not show off as well
Tomas Fleischmann (Panthers)- not sold on him at all
Ryane Clowe (Sharks)- nice 3rd option
Steve Ott (Sabres)- great grit guy
Clarke MacArthur (Maple Leafs)- not really a fan
Alex Steen (Blues)- he is the best fantasy option on the blues. but that says more about the blues... remember when ed sprauge was an allstar for the pirates
Josh Bailey (Islanders)- i doubt he ever figures it out
Gustav Nyquist (Red Wings)- love the upside, and has a good shot at
Eric Tangradi (Penguins)- not a bad bet later on, if he clicks with crosby or malkin you have a startable player
Jason Zucker (Wild)- fluff

Right Wingers (10)
Jeff Skinner (Hurricanes)- i do not see the elite upside here either, but another boarderline 1/2 player.
Blake Wheeler (Jets)- he could blossum this year, if he does he could be your best forward
Martin Erat (Predators)- not very good in this format, i would not have even bothered with him
Zack Kassian (Canucks)- another elite upside
Derek Dorsett (Blue Jackets)- grit, and to be honest, i would start him over erat in this format
Matt Frattin (Maple Leafs)- good upside
Nino Niederreiter (Islanders)- great upside, but i am not sold
Alex Chiasson (Stars)
JT Miller (Rangers)
Ty Rattie (Blues)- could be great, but i see mostly 3rd line upside

Defenseman (13)
Shea Weber (Predators) - elite so long as the preds do not take a step back
Alex Goligoski (Stars)- good player
Andrej Meszaros (Flyers)- not sold, but useasble
Luca Sbisa (Ducks)- has abilityt o be a do it all D, but they are hard to predict
Dmitry Orlov (Capitals)- love the upside, but he has to fight green and carlson for minutes
TJ Brodie (Flames)- not a big fan, but still very good
Ryan Ellis (Predators)- love the upside
Philip Larsen (Stars)
Simon Despres (Penguins)
Matt Donovan (Islanders)- another guy i love in 2 years
Mattias Ekholm (Predators)
Joe Morrow (Penguins)
Adam Clendening (Blackhawks)

Goaltenders (5)
Pekka Rinne (Predators) - great, but loses one of his top pair d
Braden Holtby (Capitals)- fragile with a lot of competion, this team has have a lot of starting goalies float by in recent years
Jonathan Bernier (Kings)- great prospect
Jonas Gustavsson (Red Wings)- backup that could steal minutes
Robin Lehner (Senators)- elite upside
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Overalll, i hate this team this year. You will finish in the bottom third this year, and there is a good chance you finish that low next year.

There is upside. you have a ton of top end prosects.
C- you have 3 elite prospects at the position, and 2 young #2 centers already on your roster.
LW- Benn is a start, but you lack depth and i am not a big fan of the prospects here
RW- Skinner and wheeler firm up the position as at least average for the next 5 years, Kassain will take another few years to really be fantasy relavent, you have a couple of very solid prospects.
D- your best positon, but it is still very young
G- Bernier and Lehrner seem to be your future

There are a lot of trades i would be looking to make if i took this team over, first i put my window as 3 years down the road. Rinne would likely go in favor of an elite winger
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To be blunt, I think you went too young. Most of the young guys you drafted are still prospects and won't be in the NHL for another year or two, let alone contributing fantasy relevant numbers.
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I'd concur - too young. But that is done now, so looking ahead, I'd stick with this group for a year or two.

If you catch up to the competitors, that is great. And if not, you have a ton of value/assets to move for proven commodities to make your team more competitive now.

Rebuilding isn't as fun as winning, but it is rewarding to build a team up from the ground.

I find that keeper re-drafts tend to have teams constructed like this - many of these players won't be fantasy relevant for three years. But as I said, some enjoy the challenge of developing a winning team through patience and prospect tracking.
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I'd be curious to see round by round picks or comparison to other top teams.

You have 1 established/promising star at each position, then a bunch of good/ solid but not great players, and then prospects. huberdeaus top prospect, but still may take a few years to develop ala Seguin, Duchene, etc.
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I appreciate the feedback thus far, guys, even if I don't agree with some of it, while others are bang on. I'm perfectly content with being a bottom dweller for the next couple of seasons, especially considering one of those seasons will be a locked out one. I may have high hopes for my squad, but there are some tweaks I'd consider making, for sure. I actually thought my defense was my weakest position of all. Also, don't believe for one second Weber is leaving Nashville anytime soon, or that Rinne's worth depletes a significant amount with the loss of Suter. Between Josi/Ellis/Blum/Ekholm Nashville has plenty of offensive coming up to replace Suter's, and the system the team deploys under Barry Trotz will enable them to still be one of the leagues better defensive squads. I view Suter's leaving Nashville only slightly more impacting than when Dan Hamhuis bolted for Vancouver.

Moving onto other team's rosters, for comparisons sakes...heres a couple:

Chicago
Centers
Joe Thornton San Jose
Pat Sharp Chicago
David Krejgi Boston
Mike Ribeiro Washington
Stephen Weiss Florida
Alex Galyenchuk Montreal
Charlie Coyle Minnesota
Johan Larsson Minnesota
Tyler Toffoli Los Angeles
Drew Shore Minnesota
Martin Hanzal Phoenix

Left Wing
Kris Versteeg Florida
Alex Tanguay Calgary
Sergei Kostitsyn Nashville
James Neal Pittsgurg
Tomas Tatar Detroit
Andy McDonald St Louis
Brandon Prust Montreal
Kyle Rau Florida
Dan Carcillo Chicago

Right Wing
Phil Kessel Toronto
Martin Havlat San Jose
Teddy Purcell Tampa Bay
Jacob Voracek Phi
Cam Atkinson CBJ
Stanislav Galiev Washingtom
Jacob Silfervburg Ottawa
Reilly Smith Dallas

Defense
Tobias Enstrom Winnipeg
Brent Burns San Jose
Nick Leddy Chicago
Travis Hamonic NYI
Nikita Nikitin CBJ
Joni Pikitin Carolina
Matt Niskanen Pittsburg
Brayben McNabb Buffalo
Tyson Barrie Colorado
Jamie Oleksiak Dallas
Martin Marincin Edmonton

Goalies
Henrik Lundqvist New York
Kerry Lehtonen Dallas
Anders Lindback Tampa Bay
Richard Bachman Dallas
Allen York CBJ
Al Montoya Ottawa
Alex Stalock San Jose

Edmonton

Center:
1. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
2. Eric Staal
3. Brad Richards
4. Mike Richards
5. Vincent Lecavalier
6. Joe Colborne
7. Calle Järnkrok
8. Mark McNeill
9. Max Reinhart
10. Riley Sheahan

Left Wing:
1. Zach Parise
2. Milan Lucic
3. David Perron
4. Nikolai Kulemin
5. Dustin Penner
6. Marcus Foligno
7. Mattias Tedenby
8. Matt Puempel
9. Brett Bulmer
10. Nikolai Prokhorkin
11. Nikita Gusev

Right Wing:
1. Jordan Eberle
2. Nail Yakupov
3. Ryan Johansen
4. Chris Stewart
5. Ales Hemsky
6. Cal Clutterbuck
7. Zac Dalpe
8. Zach Budish
9. Sebastien Collberg

Defense:
1. Drew Doughty
2. PK Subban
3. James Wisniewski
4. Matt Carle
5. Jeff Petry
6. Justin Schultz
7. Adam Larsson
8. Morgan Rielly
9. Ryan Murray
10. John Moore
11. Chris Pronger
12. Karl Alzner

Goaltender:
1. Ilya Bryzgalov
2. Ondrej Pavelec
3. Sergei Bobrovsky
4. Eddie Lack
5. Scott Wedgewood
6. Anders Nilsson
7. Sami Aittokallio
8. Tyler Bunz


Los Angeles

Centers - 10

1. John Tavares - NYI
2. Paul Stastny - COL
3. Cody Hodgson - BUF
4. Alexander Burmistrov - WPG
5. Mikhail Grigorenko - BUF
6. Nazem Kadri - TOR
7. Mikael Backlund - CGY
8. Jordan Schroeder - VAN
9. Brandon Pirri - CHI
10. Louis Leblanc - MTL


Left Wingers - 11

1. Evander Kane - WPG
2. James van Riemsdyk - TOR
3. Thomas Vanek - BUF*(CPT)
4. Carl Hagelin - NYR
5. Jaden Schwartz - STL
6. Kirill Kabanov - NYI
7. Tim Bozon - MTL
8. Carter Ashton - TOR
9. Drayson Bowman - CAR
10. John McFarland - FLA
11. Nathan Gerbe - BUF

Right Wingers - 9

1. Brett Connolly - TB
2. Mikkel Boedker - PHX
3. Michael Grabner - NYI
4. Peter Mueller - FLA
5. Filip Forsberg - WAS
6. Beau Bennett - PIT
7. J T Brown - TB
8. Christian Thomas - NYR
9. Scott Glennie - DAL

Defensemen - 12

1. Kris Letang - PIT
2. Keith Yandle - PHX
3. Michael Del Zotto - NYR
4. Mike Green - WSH
5. Stefan Elliott - COL
6 Victor Hedman - TB
7 David Rundblad - PHX
8 Ryan Murphy - CAR
9 Connor Murphy - PHX
10 Colby Robak - FLA
11 Marco Scandella - MIN
12 Jakub Kindl - DET

Goalies - 8

1. Tuukka Rask - BOS
2. Cory Schneider - VAN
3. Jhonas Enroth - BUF
4. Thomas Greiss - SJ
5. Mark Visentin - PHX
6. Oscar Dansk - CLB
7. Leland Irving - CGY
8. Carter Hutton - CHI
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Out of those posted teams, Edmonton to me seems to be the strongest, easy.

He seems to almost have 2 top 10 players at each position (except goal) and some decent depth/prospects to back him up. Lots of solid youth. Weakest position seems to be goaltending, but he's serviceable there. That would be the team I'd want out of the ones you've posted.
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3RW - Horton, Callahan, Pominville, St. Louis, Atkinson
4D - Doughty, Phaneuf, Faulk, Campbell, Schultz
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Biggest problem are your goalies IMO compared to what the others got.
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