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Old 10-13-2012, 06:56 PM
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Default Pitkanen,Wideman or Souray?

Keeper pool points are Goals=2,Assists=1 Penalty Minutes=.2 Shots=.1 and Plus/Minus= + or - 1

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With those settings the easy answer is Souray...

If you look at the Ducks' depth charts there's no major competition to Souray. All he has is Fowler and that's about it.

The major downside is Souray is a bit of a BAB, but when he plays he's a fantasy monster.

Great contributor to G, A, PIM and SOG where as a few of the other choices aren't as across the board as him.

Pitkanen is interesting, the Canes have really improved in the off-season with Staal and Semin acquisition. Throw in the other Staal and Skinner and they have a very potent PP unit. The downside with Pitkanen is there's a lot more competition, Pitkanen in the past has always came out on top with the number 1 PP QB role, but with Faulk, McBain and Corvo there, if Pitkanen falters, there's plenty of alternatives that they could replace him with so job security isn't safe.

Wideman I'm not really a fan of, and the Flames aren't as potent as the other 2 teams IMO. He has JBo, Giordano, Babchuk and even Smith... He's also not a big PIM or SOG taker either...

Souray is probably the biggest boom or bust candidate. You'll either get wonderful stats from him or fall flat on your face.

Pitkanen is probably a safer choice with his history.
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Cut her down the middle and grab Wideman. The other two are hit or miss, and carry a BAB member card.
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In order to settle the debate, I crunched some numbers for the 3 dmen over their last 3 seasons:

Pitkanen (71.5, 64.4, 16.4) - average of 50.8
Souray (123.4, 22.3, 70.5) - average of 72.1
Wideman (43.4, 53.4, 75.1) - average of 57.3

This factors in both Pitkanen and Souray's BAB'ness (both had a major down year) and Wideman's durability. Souray is risky but his game is more suited for this format. If he rediscovers any form of offensive game in Anaheim he is the best of the bunch by a fairly wide margin.
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Cut her down the middle and grab Wideman. The other two are hit or miss, and carry a BAB member card.
I think becase plus/minus has such great importance in this league (worth the same amount as an Assist), Wideman is a man to be avoided. Getting all the situational minutes could mean a disaster of a plus/minus rating for him in Calgary. The fact that the Flames absolutely refuse to rebuild basically means they are a few injuries away from being a laughingstock - if you accept the premise that they aren't already - and Wideman's numbers could suffer BIG TIME. Even with a glimmering picture of health in Calgary, though, I'm still not in love with Wideman in this format.

My choice would be Pitkanen. As Gotlaid said, Souray is pretty much your boom/bust candidate here, although I think that statement is perhaps a bit ignorant of the type of offense Pitkanen could put up this season. True, Souray would likely post much greater PIM and SOG numbers over the course of a season, but I see them Pitkanen and Souray being relatively even in plus/minus and Points - although health [Souray] could play a significant role in deciding the better own.

I would also bring up the matter of age. Souray is no spring chicken: 36 years old. Pitkanen, on the other hand, just turned 29 years old in September and is arguably still in the prime of his career. Combine these factors with the massive influx of offensive talent in Carolina, and I really like Pitkanen as a defenseman of interest this season.

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I think becase plus/minus has such great importance in this league (worth the same amount as an Assist), Wideman is a man to be avoided. Getting all the situational minutes could mean a disaster of a plus/minus rating for him in Calgary. The fact that the Flames absolutely refuse to rebuild basically means they are a few injuries away from being a laughingstock - if you accept the premise that they aren't already - and Wideman's numbers could suffer BIG TIME. Even with a glimmering picture of health in Calgary, though, I'm still not in love with Wideman in this format.

My choice would be Pitkanen. As Gotlaid said, Souray is pretty much your boom/bust candidate here, although I think that statement is perhaps a bit ignorant of the type of offense Pitkanen could put up this season. True, Souray would likely post much greater PIM and SOG numbers over the course of a season, but I see them Pitkanen and Souray being relatively even in plus/minus and Points - although health [Souray] could play a significant role in deciding the better own.

I would also bring up the matter of age. Souray is no spring chicken: 36 years old. Pitkanen, on the other hand, just turned 29 years old in September and is arguably still in the prime of his career. Combine these factors with the massive influx of offensive talent in Carolina, and I really like Pitkanen as a defenseman of interest this season.

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I'm in the Pitkanen camp as well. Carolina should see a healthy boost in goals scored and Pitkanen is the first dman to benefit from that, IMO. He's still the mentor for the young guys there.
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Ok I have a strong group of forwards but would have to drop Andy Macdonald or Ryan Clowe to pick one up and replace him with either Marcus Foligno or Mikkel Boedker.

Would you do that knowing that potential 40 pt Defensman are much harder to find in our league than 50 to 60 point forwards and if so who would you drop?
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In order to settle the debate, I crunched some numbers for the 3 dmen over their last 3 seasons:

Pitkanen (71.5, 64.4, 16.4) - average of 50.8
Souray (123.4, 22.3, 70.5) - average of 72.1
Wideman (43.4, 53.4, 75.1) - average of 57.3

This factors in both Pitkanen and Souray's BAB'ness (both had a major down year) and Wideman's durability. Souray is risky but his game is more suited for this format. If he rediscovers any form of offensive game in Anaheim he is the best of the bunch by a fairly wide margin.
In all fairness, Sheldon Souray did not play a NHL game in the 2010-11 season (he's 4 years removed from his 123.4 season), which makes his average skewed. That doesn't take away from the fact that IF he plays a full season (or close to), his game is best suited for this format.

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In all fairness, Sheldon Souray did not play a NHL game in the 2010-11 season (he's 4 years removed from his 123.4 season), which makes his average skewed. That doesn't take away from the fact that IF he plays a full season (or close to), his game is best suited for this format.
His last season he was worth 70.5 points in just 64 games. It was a sub-par offensive season by his standards. I'll take my chances on the upside, since he can match the others even if he misses games.
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