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Old 10-05-2012, 12:43 PM
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I've been really looking into adding Halak as my 3rd goalie for injury insurance.. My pool is 2 points for win and 2 for shutouts.. I already have Rinne and Howard but thought Halak could add depth..

Unfortunatly this update on rotowire came through this morning:

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Blues coach Ken Hitchcock won't be entering into the start of the 2012-13 season - if the season isn't lost to a lockout - with a firm starting goaltender."Not just with the goalie situation, but the biggest mistake you make as a coach is just assuming that everything is going to be the same," Hitchcock said. "New leaders emerge, some players emerge as talent. They take over. Different chemistry takes place. We’re going to go into camp with the same situation that we've got two good goalies and we’re comfortable playing both, but if one guys steps to the forefront, we won’t hesitate going with him." In other words, Halak and Elliott will probably be fighting for playing time all season. The two might end up splitting starts evenly, but that might change if one of them begins to clearly outperform the other. Between the two, Halak seems like the better bet given Elliott's hot and cold history. Oct 5 - 9:33 AM

The only other goalie options available are Nabokov, Bobrovsky, Neuvirth and Theodore.. Is it worth adding a goalie that might only be 1/2 starter or a goalie that starts just doesnt win?

Am i better suited to look elsewhere for upgrades on my team or should I still be looking for a goalie?
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You really do have quite the team there.. In a 10 team league, I would look to see if you could possibly swing a deal with someone in need of some help upfront, as you are quite strong there.. I feel as if St.Louis will split starts as long as they can.. Why wouldn't you want to have 2 goalies, who are great goalies, competing every night?? Both guys seem to be great team guys and not worried about personal success and more about the teams success.. I personally wouldn't want to have to guess if one of my goalies is starting half the time or not..
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I've tried... I wont last year and for some reason nobody wants to trade with the Winner... They all think i'm trying to pull a fast one.. It's tricky..
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i would much rather have halak as my third goalie than any of the others listed... he is the more talented goalie on a 100+ point team. considering that it is a ten team league, chances are that he will produce more points than some teams second goalies...
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i would much rather have halak as my third goalie than any of the others listed... he is the more talented goalie on a 100+ point team. considering that it is a ten team league, chances are that he will produce more points than some teams second goalies...
Your completley correct.. However will he produce more then a hurt Rinne or Howard? I'm only looking to Halak for insurance...
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Your completley correct.. However will he produce more then a hurt Rinne or Howard? I'm only looking to Halak for insurance...
well, if either one gets hurt, they won't be producing at all...

just kidding....

i don't have enough info about your league to say much.... can't you rotate all three goalies in and out of your line-up? because when halak does play, he will be elite - and his numbers will be as good or better than both rinne and howards (as they were last year, when you strictly look at them on a per game basis)... plus, it wouldn't suprise me to see halak play a greater percentage of games than he did last year. i think he could be more valuable than howard regardless, given the shortened season we are most definitely looking at....
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Yeah sorry..

My league counts all year points. Only my top 2 goalies count. The third would only be for insurance in case one goalie is hurt.

2 points for a win and 2 points for a shutout..

Rinne last year was - 43 Wins & 10 Shutouts = 106 points total
Howard last year (hurt a bit) - 35 Wins & 6 Shutouts = 82 points total
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Halak last year (split shifts) - 26 Wins & 6 Shutouts = 64 Points Total

In our formula goalies are 70-100 point players if they are starting goalies. I do have 2 strong goalies but Howard scares me a bit. They are so important that guys would want 70-90 point players back for them.

Halak would only count if he wins more games and has more shutouts then one of my other 2 goalies. There is no GAA or SV% so i'm only focused on wins and shutouts.. Of corse the more starts the better the % is for wins and shutouts..
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Yeah sorry..

My league counts all year points. Only my top 2 goalies count. The third would only be for insurance in case one goalie is hurt.

2 points for a win and 2 points for a shutout..

Rinne last year was - 43 Wins & 10 Shutouts = 106 points total
Howard last year (hurt a bit) - 35 Wins & 6 Shutouts = 82 points total
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Halak last year (split shifts) - 26 Wins & 6 Shutouts = 64 Points Total

In our formula goalies are 70-100 point players if they are starting goalies. I do have 2 strong goalies but Howard scares me a bit. They are so important that guys would want 70-90 point players back for them.

Halak would only count if he wins more games and has more shutouts then one of my other 2 goalies. There is no GAA or SV% so i'm only focused on wins and shutouts.. Of corse the more starts the better the % is for wins and shutouts..
Regardless of his lack of points in this format, I highly doubt the others you listed would be better.
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Regardless of his lack of points in this format, I highly doubt the others you listed would be better.
Yes I agree.. The others aren't even options.. I'm just wondering if Halak would be a better option then adding a forward or defender.

I'm going to be dropping Anisimov and possibly Elliott..

I thought about dropping Anisimov for Halak and Elliott for Pitkanen..

If Halak isn't a good option I might as well take a forward that might count. Or Keep both Elliott and Pitkanen but then I have to many dmen because only my top 5 point dmen count.. My top 12 forwards count but i have nice depth..
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Yes I agree.. The others aren't even options.. I'm just wondering if Halak would be a better option then adding a forward or defender.

I'm going to be dropping Anisimov and possibly Elliott..

I thought about dropping Anisimov for Halak and Elliott for Pitkanen..

If Halak isn't a good option I might as well take a forward that might count. Or Keep both Elliott and Pitkanen but then I have to many dmen because only my top 5 point dmen count.. My top 12 forwards count but i have nice depth..
To be honest, with the way your league counts scoring, I would probably just stand pat. I don't think you would really stand to benefit from adding a forward or defenseman, whereas you hold a nice advantage with Halak - either as a trade chip or just withholding him from other owners without direct gain.

I would just stick with your current roster, hope for the best with Halak, and keep pushing hard to trade him for valuable asset(s).

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